Divine caster with 1 / 2 BAB?


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What would you give a divine caster if you took away his 3/4 BAB? Spontaneous casting? maybe add some direct damage spells to the list that don't suck? Skill points? More than 2 domains?


Check out Adamant Entertainment's Priest. It's on d20pfsrd.com.

There idea is 3 domains.

I think that you will need to expand the spell lists a bit though. The divine spellcasters list isn't made to be cast like a wizard.

Shadow Lodge

This.


From experience, I can tell you that if you're going to drop the cleric's BAB to poor, the spell list will beg for expansion in order to keep the cleric from being anything but a healer and buffer. I've played the cloistered cleric TOZ linked to, and kept finding the cleric spell list too situational at high levels; I found I only ever prepped the same few spells because I never expected to need some of the spells that were available. There was an option in either Complete Mage or Complete Champion that let a cleric drop a domain at creation to add one spell from the wizard spell list to each level of their own list, provided it was an abjuration, divination, or necromancy spell; this might help a bit.

Silver Crusade

Here is another link to the priest

I hope this helps


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TOZ wrote:
This.

+1. In total agreement.

EDIT: One thing that I did do when someone ran a clostiered in my game back during 3.5 was to allow the player to spontaneously cast his domain spells. He could dump a prepared spell to cast either of his two domains spells of that level, or a cure.

Master Arminas


ElyasRavenwood wrote:

Here is another link to the priest

I hope this helps

Is a shame that the priest 3rd domains is necessarily lore.


You may find interesting this Priest archetype I made, perhaps.

Silver Crusade

Nicos, well I think the priest class is supposed to emulate the monk character concept. The monk who writes scrolls and illuminates manuscripts, who is a keeper of monastic libraries.
I think the priest class expresses the clerical administraitor, the abbot, the biship, the cardinal.

That is why i think they have the bonus domain as a knowledge domain. I also think they do some of this to make for a 2+int modifier for skills.

While I would personally tweak the Priest's d8 down to a d6 for channel energy, I do think this class does a much better job at expressing the monastic monk then the "cloistered cleric" arch type does.


ElyasRavenwood wrote:

Nicos, well I think the priest class is supposed to emulate the monk character concept. The monk who writes scrolls and illuminates manuscripts, who is a keeper of monastic libraries.

I think the priest class expresses the clerical administraitor, the abbot, the biship, the cardinal.

That is why i think they have the bonus domain as a knowledge domain. I also think they do some of this to make for a 2+int modifier for skills.

While I would personally tweak the Priest's d8 down to a d6 for channel energy, I do think this class does a much better job at expressing the monastic monk then the "cloistered cleric" arch type does.

I like the class, but i would like the posibility of a more magic themed priest instead of a lore themed one.

Silver Crusade

Perhaps the simplest solution is to give the priest character a different domain instead of knowledge...perhaps the magic domain, Fire domain, Trickery domain....there are lots of possibilities.


With all due respect, if you want a priest with a more magical bent...

Play a Bard.

Refluff everything from the Bard as clerical things. Inspire Courage could be Reading the Litany of the god aloud in combat to inspire the faithful. He already casts cure spells, but has more arcane spells. He ignores armor.

If you want someone who's no good in armor, play a celestial or empyreal sorcerer. Lesser healing ability, but you can channel energy at higher levels. Again, refluff it as a priest.


mdt wrote:

With all due respect, if you want a priest with a more magical bent...

Play a Bard.

why? is a very diferent concept, and is not a full spellcaster, and does not have channel energy.

and the sorcerer. The idea of a priest is that he use divine spells.

Shadow Lodge

Bards and the mentioned sorcerer bloodlines share a lot of the same spells clerics do. Just call them divine instead of arcane.

Character concepts can be served by multiple classes.


TOZ wrote:

Bards and the mentioned sorcerer bloodlines share a lot of the same spells clerics do. Just call them divine instead of arcane.

Character concepts can be served by multiple classes.

Exactly.

The Class (Capital C) is a meta concept in the game world. Clergy is a specific within the game world, which are also called clerics (note the small c), priest, priestess, acolytes, bishops, cardinals, popes, inquisitors, etc.

Any given member of the clergy could be...

1) A choiral mastar (Bard, Rogue)
2) A champion of the church (Fighter, Inquisitor, Paladin, Oracle)
3) A paladin of the church (Fighter/Cleric, Paladin, Oracle)
4) A theurgist (Cleric, Sorcerer, Wizard, Oracle)
5) A high-priest (Cleric, Paladin, Oracle)
6) A church investigator (Just about any class)

Not all members of a church should be a cleric, or a priest if you use that 3pp class. A church should have a good mixture of everything from NPC classes to PC classes, and all manners of ranks from 20 (major church high priest) all the way down to the lowest acolyte sweeping the floors (an expert if he's a clerk, or an acolyte if he's a caster, or a warrior if he's an acolyte guardian).


Most priests would not be of the cleric class, but experts or others classes all together. A fighter can be a priest the same as a cleric can.

Grand Lodge

mdt wrote:


Not all members of a church should be a cleric, or a priest if you use that 3pp class. A church should have a good mixture of everything from NPC classes to PC classes, and all manners of ranks from 20 (major church high priest) all the way down to the lowest acolyte sweeping the floors (an expert if he's a clerk, or an acolyte if he's a caster, or a warrior if he's an acolyte guardian).

Nothing wrong with fitting a commoner into that last role. Maybe all he does is sweep the floors and clean the pews.


Cheapy wrote:

OR!

Play a witch :D

This.


LazarX wrote:
mdt wrote:


Not all members of a church should be a cleric, or a priest if you use that 3pp class. A church should have a good mixture of everything from NPC classes to PC classes, and all manners of ranks from 20 (major church high priest) all the way down to the lowest acolyte sweeping the floors (an expert if he's a clerk, or an acolyte if he's a caster, or a warrior if he's an acolyte guardian).
Nothing wrong with fitting a commoner into that last role. Maybe all he does is sweep the floors and clean the pews.

True, I was just assuming the acolyte was training toward something else is all.

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