| MyTThor |
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What would you give a divine caster if you took away his 3/4 BAB? Spontaneous casting? maybe add some direct damage spells to the list that don't suck? Skill points? More than 2 domains?
| Lathiira |
From experience, I can tell you that if you're going to drop the cleric's BAB to poor, the spell list will beg for expansion in order to keep the cleric from being anything but a healer and buffer. I've played the cloistered cleric TOZ linked to, and kept finding the cleric spell list too situational at high levels; I found I only ever prepped the same few spells because I never expected to need some of the spells that were available. There was an option in either Complete Mage or Complete Champion that let a cleric drop a domain at creation to add one spell from the wizard spell list to each level of their own list, provided it was an abjuration, divination, or necromancy spell; this might help a bit.
| master arminas |
This.
+1. In total agreement.
EDIT: One thing that I did do when someone ran a clostiered in my game back during 3.5 was to allow the player to spontaneously cast his domain spells. He could dump a prepared spell to cast either of his two domains spells of that level, or a cure.
Master Arminas
ElyasRavenwood
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Nicos, well I think the priest class is supposed to emulate the monk character concept. The monk who writes scrolls and illuminates manuscripts, who is a keeper of monastic libraries.
I think the priest class expresses the clerical administraitor, the abbot, the biship, the cardinal.
That is why i think they have the bonus domain as a knowledge domain. I also think they do some of this to make for a 2+int modifier for skills.
While I would personally tweak the Priest's d8 down to a d6 for channel energy, I do think this class does a much better job at expressing the monastic monk then the "cloistered cleric" arch type does.
| Nicos |
Nicos, well I think the priest class is supposed to emulate the monk character concept. The monk who writes scrolls and illuminates manuscripts, who is a keeper of monastic libraries.
I think the priest class expresses the clerical administraitor, the abbot, the biship, the cardinal.That is why i think they have the bonus domain as a knowledge domain. I also think they do some of this to make for a 2+int modifier for skills.
While I would personally tweak the Priest's d8 down to a d6 for channel energy, I do think this class does a much better job at expressing the monastic monk then the "cloistered cleric" arch type does.
I like the class, but i would like the posibility of a more magic themed priest instead of a lore themed one.
| mdt |
With all due respect, if you want a priest with a more magical bent...
Play a Bard.
Refluff everything from the Bard as clerical things. Inspire Courage could be Reading the Litany of the god aloud in combat to inspire the faithful. He already casts cure spells, but has more arcane spells. He ignores armor.
If you want someone who's no good in armor, play a celestial or empyreal sorcerer. Lesser healing ability, but you can channel energy at higher levels. Again, refluff it as a priest.
| mdt |
Bards and the mentioned sorcerer bloodlines share a lot of the same spells clerics do. Just call them divine instead of arcane.
Character concepts can be served by multiple classes.
Exactly.
The Class (Capital C) is a meta concept in the game world. Clergy is a specific within the game world, which are also called clerics (note the small c), priest, priestess, acolytes, bishops, cardinals, popes, inquisitors, etc.
Any given member of the clergy could be...
1) A choiral mastar (Bard, Rogue)
2) A champion of the church (Fighter, Inquisitor, Paladin, Oracle)
3) A paladin of the church (Fighter/Cleric, Paladin, Oracle)
4) A theurgist (Cleric, Sorcerer, Wizard, Oracle)
5) A high-priest (Cleric, Paladin, Oracle)
6) A church investigator (Just about any class)
Not all members of a church should be a cleric, or a priest if you use that 3pp class. A church should have a good mixture of everything from NPC classes to PC classes, and all manners of ranks from 20 (major church high priest) all the way down to the lowest acolyte sweeping the floors (an expert if he's a clerk, or an acolyte if he's a caster, or a warrior if he's an acolyte guardian).
LazarX
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Not all members of a church should be a cleric, or a priest if you use that 3pp class. A church should have a good mixture of everything from NPC classes to PC classes, and all manners of ranks from 20 (major church high priest) all the way down to the lowest acolyte sweeping the floors (an expert if he's a clerk, or an acolyte if he's a caster, or a warrior if he's an acolyte guardian).
Nothing wrong with fitting a commoner into that last role. Maybe all he does is sweep the floors and clean the pews.
| mdt |
mdt wrote:Nothing wrong with fitting a commoner into that last role. Maybe all he does is sweep the floors and clean the pews.
Not all members of a church should be a cleric, or a priest if you use that 3pp class. A church should have a good mixture of everything from NPC classes to PC classes, and all manners of ranks from 20 (major church high priest) all the way down to the lowest acolyte sweeping the floors (an expert if he's a clerk, or an acolyte if he's a caster, or a warrior if he's an acolyte guardian).
True, I was just assuming the acolyte was training toward something else is all.