| VonZrucker |
So we're doing an impromptu game where the pcs are slaves or whatnot and are forced to fight in the arena.
Races available to me are all standard, plus reasonable monstrous races, like goblins, kobolds, lizardmen, gnolls, orcs, hobgoblins, etc.
My question to you, Pathfinders, is what would you make for the most survivability/dmg output?
Level 1, no items. I'm sure there'll be weapons in the arena, but basically no gear.
Suggestions?
Thanks guys!
-Von
Mergy
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First level barbarian, followed by first level alchemist (assuming access to mutagens). Ranger would be good with favoured enemy human (as that's likely the most common enemy to fight, although YMMV. Bard would be pretty good, as inspire courage brings them up to full BAB and they have access to spells that will help them survive.
Actually, go summoner.
Mergy
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Thank you. The half-orc biting cleric of gorum is also a good idea. Anything that can give you natural weapons is a good idea as you're likely to be given poor quality equipment. This is also an excellent time to spend a bonus feat on dodge, combat expertise or ironhide. Remember that the purpose of gladiatorial games were not only to have someone kill someone else, but also to entertain. You want to survive long enough that the crowd can start to like you.
| FuelDrop |
would monk be worth your while? they're MAD, sure, but they're not exactly gear dependent. same goes for sorcerer, maybe abharent for the reach on touch attacks (in an arena you're going to be pretty close to the enemy, but five-foot step and then hit them with a touch spell is better than drawing an attack of oppetunity.)
| VonZrucker |
Natural attacks as PCs, though, it's either one or the other, right?
I mean, if I'm an orc with a bite, I either choose to attack with the shoddy shortspear I found on the ground, or just bite him, but not both, yes?
According to this entry on Natural Attacks, it would seem I would choose one or the other.
Most creatures possess one or more natural attacks (attacks made without a weapon). These attacks fall into one of two categories, primary and secondary attacks. Primary attacks are made using the creature’s full base attack bonus and add the creature’s full Strength bonus on damage rolls. Secondary attacks are made using the creature’s base attack bonus –5 and add only 1/2 the creature’s Strength bonus on damage rolls. If a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature’s full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 times the creature’s Strength bonus on damage rolls. This increase does not apply if the creature has multiple attacks but only takes one. If a creature has only one type of attack, but has multiple attacks per round, that attack is treated as a primary attack, regardless of its type.
Am I right or wrong?
-Von
fatouzocat
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I vote Monk, Boar style and Beliers bite(sp), then Alchemist if he can carry bombs into combat if not forget it (will he be able to prepare and so on) Halfling Alch with High int can stealth, and hit hard but is done if grappled or caught in true melle, but if given even a small chance he can Bomb D6+int so 5-10 dmg + cure light wounds, true strike (not that you need it since your hitting touch)and lots of other spells that rock increase range and so on. If you take gnome get Pyromancer racial trait for added fire damage... At first level if you get a chance you hit and you do damage that will hurt all three builds badly lets assume the barb has 14 hp you bomb and hit for average dmg 7 he is at 7 hp and attacks you with his fists, claws or gore and due to rage does pretty awesome damage but we can assume that you have 9hp (+1 for con?)with these opponents and will probably survive long enough to five foot step and end his life. Now if he grapples you you are done and so is the fighter and Sorc. The Sorc is the Alc's worry as he can own you with sleep spells and the like (your will save will be low as will your charisma since you would dump these for your other stats in the ring).
Monk, therefore, is still my first choice but the Alc can be a devastating char that unlike the other three can cure and buff nicely (I know the sorc can but he shouldn't, he should cast spells like colour spray and sleep to quickly drop foes and either slice the throats of his foes or let others do it for him).
Oh and in a short battle without gear a small alchemist with his mutagen up will have decent AC to boot can any of the other three say that (soc I guess if he uses a spell on Mage arm rather than Sleep or Colour Spray).
| VonZrucker |
Hgsolo, I considered a wizard or Magus, and thought about asking my DM if I could have my spells tattooed on me or something along those lines, but he said he was rolling a sorcerer, so I've opted for a non spellbook-requiring class.
I think..
I like the 2d6 Bleed monk and the Bite attack Cleric(that's a lot of neat flavor, no pun intended) so far the most at this point.
-Von
| FuelDrop |
Hgsolo, I considered a wizard or Magus, and thought about asking my DM if I could have my spells tattooed on me or something along those lines, but he said he was rolling a sorcerer, so I've opted for a non spellbook-requiring class.
I think..
I like the 2d6 Bleed monk and the Bite attack Cleric(that's a lot of neat flavor, no pun intended) so far the most at this point.
-Von
just keep in mind that CoDzilla needs his divine focus. depending on how stripped out your gear is, that may be problematic.
heck, if i was an evil overlord i'd be sure to take away anything that let gladiators attract their god's attention, particularly if they were known to be in good standing. then again, i'm a 'by the book' type overlord, complete with shooting any member of the legion of terror who's comically incompetent and having all comic sidekicks pre-emptively put to death. so sue me.
| hgsolo |
VonZrucker wrote:Hgsolo, I considered a wizard or Magus, and thought about asking my DM if I could have my spells tattooed on me or something along those lines, but he said he was rolling a sorcerer, so I've opted for a non spellbook-requiring class.
I think..
I like the 2d6 Bleed monk and the Bite attack Cleric(that's a lot of neat flavor, no pun intended) so far the most at this point.
-Von
just keep in mind that CoDzilla needs his divine focus. depending on how stripped out your gear is, that may be problematic.
heck, if i was an evil overlord i'd be sure to take away anything that let gladiators attract their god's attention, particularly if they were known to be in good standing. then again, i'm a 'by the book' type overlord, complete with shooting any member of the legion of terror who's comically incompetent and having all comic sidekicks pre-emptively put to death. so sue me.
Well fair enough but if you were really a by-the-book evil overlord you'd never have a gladiatorial combat situation to begin with. Everyone in there would be mercilessly put down and then placed on display as a warning. Or, since this is PF and resurrection is a possibility, you'd kill them mercilessly and then destroy the bodies as efficiently as possible.
Edit: Also, Von, I was thinking mainly of the arcane pool for any random weapons lying around, but without your spells the Magus would not be a very good option. So yeah, enjoy biting your enemies.
| FuelDrop |
Well fair enough but if you were really a by-the-book evil overlord you'd never have a gladiatorial combat situation to begin with. Everyone in there would be mercilessly put down and then placed on display as a warning. Or, since this is PF and resurrection is a possibility, you'd kill them mercilessly and then destroy the bodies as efficiently as possible.
i may be evil, but i still need entertainment! anyway, the crowd loves it.
maybe you're right, and i should give gladiatorial arena's up. take up something like stamp collecting instead. the only problem is they've all got my face on them...
| Serisan |
VonZrucker wrote:Hgsolo, I considered a wizard or Magus, and thought about asking my DM if I could have my spells tattooed on me or something along those lines, but he said he was rolling a sorcerer, so I've opted for a non spellbook-requiring class.
I think..
I like the 2d6 Bleed monk and the Bite attack Cleric(that's a lot of neat flavor, no pun intended) so far the most at this point.
-Von
just keep in mind that CoDzilla needs his divine focus. depending on how stripped out your gear is, that may be problematic.
heck, if i was an evil overlord i'd be sure to take away anything that let gladiators attract their god's attention, particularly if they were known to be in good standing. then again, i'm a 'by the book' type overlord, complete with shooting any member of the legion of terror who's comically incompetent and having all comic sidekicks pre-emptively put to death. so sue me.
Birthmark: You were born with a strange birthmark that looks very similar to the holy symbol of the god you chose to worship later in life. This birthmark can serve you as a divine focus for casting spells, and as a physical manifestation of your faith, it increases your devotion to your god—you gain a +2 trait bonus on all saving throws against charm and compulsion effects as a result.
Problem solved.
fatouzocat
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Go Synthesist, you get 1d8+1d10, natural attacks, relatively good AC, you can dump physical stats. Spell casting, pounce. What's not to like and abuse.
ooo I totally forgot about that build, very nice.... Off the top I don't see a weakness here no one will be casting banishment or similar spells. I like it, good damage and you can cast. Better all around physical stats than any other class due to the synth.
I understand the inclination towards Ranger I would guess that you are dealing with a human or half orc fighter, likewise or Dwarven Barbarian, and a gnome halfling or Human sorc, It is possible to fight a bunch of humans but in your experience of putting together a party how often does that happen. In my current game we have Half-Orc, Dwarf, Halfling and one lone Human that we all scoff at. Out of curiosity how (if you know is the GM handling this battle... turn turn turn, story based, npc threats and creatures? This all changes what I/you might want to do. None of these builds could find a trap until he/she stepped on it so? Will s/he be using rules that grant you favour from the crowd? negatives from crowd noise to perception rolls? Is there a reincarnation built in or one death and your out? (I would reincarnate you once but strip you of gear and pop you back in... with lots of non player obstacles, pits, traps, tigers and bears oh my hehe and after your fellow PC's have died I would have you fight a proven hero gladiator to earn your life/ honor/ freedom?)