Weapon Finesse and CMB actions


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Liberty's Edge

I was wondering about something this morning, and I couldn't figure out a concrete answer. So, time for some popular opinion.

We all know that CMB actions are attack rolls, with the default being BAB+Str+Whatever.

Weapon Finesse lets you use Dexterity instead of Strength for weapon attack rolls with your light weapon.

If I have Weapon Finesse, and make a CMB action with my light weapon (say, disarming someone with my rapier), am I allowed to use my Dex modifier instead of Str? Or do I need to have Agile Maneuvers? I obviously could not use my Dex modifier for non-weapon-related CMB rolls like grapple, but what about weapon-based ones?


I'm pretty sure that you can only finesse a Maneuver with a light weapon if the weapon has the appropriate keyword, eg, Trip/Reposition/Drag with a whip. Try to find the blog post on this very topic from a while ago.

Liberty's Edge

Thanks - seems this has already been answered... my search fu was weak this morning. Move along, nothing to see here...


Zonto wrote:
Thanks - seems this has already been answered... my search fu was weak this morning. Move along, nothing to see here...

Also take a look at the Agile Maneuvers combat feat, it opens up the rest of the manoeuvres to use with dex (and doesn't require you to use specific weapons.)

Liberty's Edge

Malk_Content wrote:
Zonto wrote:
Thanks - seems this has already been answered... my search fu was weak this morning. Move along, nothing to see here...
Also take a look at the Agile Maneuvers combat feat, it opens up the rest of the manoeuvres to use with dex (and doesn't require you to use specific weapons.)

If you check my original post, that was sort of the point of my question :). I know about Agile Maneuvers, I was just wondering if I needed one, the other, or both when using Dex for finesse-able weapons.


If you're allowed to use a weapon with the maneuver normally (like with the disarm maneuver or when using specific weapons), then yea, Weapon Finesse will apply.

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