Rainbow Bright: Sorceror / Oracle (Heavens)


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I am curious to get some input on the following idea (inspired by another thread on here)...

I am considering playing a Sorceror with 1 level of Oracle. The idea is to leverage the Awesome Display Mystery from the Heavens Revelation("Each creature affected by your illusion (pattern) spells is treated as if its total number of Hit Dice were equal to its number of Hit Dice minus your Charisma modifier").

I could really use some advice on this as multi-classing spell casters is generally a very bad idea.

Advantages:

1. Color Spray remains a game winning spell for quite some time, if we take spell focus (Illusion) and pump our Charisma up and use metamagic feats to increase the DC (for example: Heighten Spell). At level 4, you can Color Spray for FULL EFFECT all creatures 7 HD or less! Which is everyone! yay!

2. When Color Spray starts becoming silly to use, we can soon switch over to Prismatic Spray (level 14) for more game winning goodness (will be affecting creatures with 16 HD or less by that point!)

3. The Haunted curse gives us Mage Hand and Ghost sound... 2 very handy spells.

4. We get to add 4 (and eventually 5 or more) 1st level Oracle spells to our daily casts! That is a bunch of spell casting! AND we can just spam Color Spray from our Sorceror spells at low levels.

5. Also, does this mean that we can simply ditch UMD? It certainly means we can use a wand of cure light wounds (if we take the spell as an oracle) without UMD. Is this how UMD works? I can auto use any spell casting device that I already know the spells for?

Disadvantages:

1. Lose 1 level of Sorceror spells. So we don't get level 9 spells until level 19 and at level 20 we can only cast 4 instead of 6. Which does suck. Also, our Sorceror bonus spells are delayed by a level.

Man, this seems like a good trade to me. What do you guys think?


Main problem is you already get spells 1 level late as sorcerer... which means you get your spells at the same time a Wizard gets the next higher level. The additional Level 1 spells you get are considerably weaker than that.

Plus, remember that your curse benefits will be gimped as well; non-oracle levels only count half when determining the curse's effects.

This beind said, don't overestimate color spray. Quite a lot of critters out there are pretty much unaffected by mind-affecting things, and the range and area of that spell leave much to be desired.

As for getting access to a wide variety of usable devices: correct. You have access to a plethora of wands and scrolls by default. You don't even need to 'take the spell as Oracle'. If it's on your list (i.e. any Oracle or Sorcerer spell in the books), you're all set for using a wand of scroll without resorting to UMD.

I don't say it's a very bad idea (Heck, I am currently playing a Sorceress with a one-level-dip into Cleric). It's just probably not as strong as you might think.


Midnight_Angel wrote:

Main problem is you already get spells 1 level late as sorcerer... which means you get your spells at the same time a Wizard gets the next higher level. The additional Level 1 spells you get are considerably weaker than that.

Plus, remember that your curse benefits will be gimped as well; non-oracle levels only count half when determining the curse's effects.

This beind said, don't overestimate color spray. Quite a lot of critters out there are pretty much unaffected by mind-affecting things, and the range and area of that spell leave much to be desired.

As for getting access to a wide variety of usable devices: correct. You have access to a plethora of wands and scrolls by default. You don't even need to 'take the spell as Oracle'. If it's on your list (i.e. any Oracle or Sorcerer spell in the books), you're all set for using a wand of scroll without resorting to UMD.

I don't say it's a very bad idea (Heck, I am currently playing a Sorceress with a one-level-dip into Cleric). It's just probably not as strong as you might think.

Fixed title. Thanks.

Fair points concerning the limitations on color spray etc.

I willthink it over.

My other plan is to just focus on being a Fey sorceror. There are a great many battle winning compulsion spells out there starting with Sleep.


Gelmir wrote:


Fair points concerning the limitations on color spray etc.

I willthink it over.

My other plan is to just focus on being a Fey sorceror. There are a great many battle winning compulsion spells out there starting with Sleep.

I actually think this is an even worse limitation. All compulsions are enchantment spells, and mind-affecting spells. On top of the fact that many templates gain outright immunity to mind-affecting effects (which also hurts the illusion build), there are numerous boosts vs. enchantments as racial abilities, class abilities, traits, and feats.

But spell focus (illusion) has other uses, as the illusion school is nowhere as one-note and useless as enchantment. Spell focus (illusion) will be a nice way to bolster spells like shadow conjuration/evocation, and shades. There are other useful illusion spells that would be helped.

Spell focus (enchantment)? Kinda a wasted feat -- you will either get 100% use of it, or 0% (when fighting creatures w/ immunity).

Go w/ the pattern sorcerer, of the two. Don't forget rainbow pattern and scintillating pattern, both on the sorcerer spell list. I think there's another pattern spell out there, too...


There are a couple other pattern spells too, but note that Prismatic Spray is actually an Evocation spell, not Illusion (pattern)

Liberty's Edge

Its a fairly strong combo at low levels. By medium levels you're probably better off with straight sorcerer. (Color spray is still less good than say black tentacles.)

I wouldn't take haunted curse, nearly any curse would be better than haunted here, as haunted's spells being added to your oracle list is absolutely no benefit when you only get a (very) few oracle spells.

Shadow Lodge

I've got a Aberrant Sorcerer with a level of Bones Oracle, so it's definitely doable. I've taken UMD, so that I can use all sorts of Rings of Revelation and pretty much anything else I feel like. He's more of a Chill Touch grappler, so the Bleeding Wounds revelation comes in handy for him. With Long Limbs, Chill Touch EVERYTHING, then run back and wait for them to bleed out.

If you're going to make a Pattern Sorcerer with a level of Heavens Oracle, take a gnome with Gnome Magic (bonuses to Illusion). My recommended bloodlines are Shadow or Rakshasa, or perhaps Serpentine or Undead if you worry about Mind-Affecting. Remember that you'll be able to do more than patterns; having a number of general-use illusion spells will come in very handy. Both Shadow and Rakshasa help with hiding and keeping spells from being traced to you--you might even be able to make good use of the Go Unnoticed feat.

The Pattern spells are:

1st: Color Spray
2nd: Hypnotic Pattern
4th: Rainbow Pattern
8th: Scintillating Pattern

Wow, that's it? Yeah, branch out into all Illusions if you go this route.


There is also Wandering Star Motes (4th lvl i believe)
Possibly one or two more I can't rememeber


Go Crossblooded Sorcerer with Undead and Groveborn bloodlines. You can now affect pretty much anything you come across

Shadow Lodge

Daelen wrote:
Go Crossblooded Sorcerer with Undead and Groveborn bloodlines. You can now affect pretty much anything you come across

Except construsts,ozzes, and mindless creatures.


Heh. Well OBVIOUSLY the character would take many other spells: summon monster, battlefield control, party buffs etc.

It is not as though he would only learn color spray.

That said, it seems like the better plan for this would be just to go straight Heavens Oracle.

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