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Personally I'd go half-orc or half-elf. If you're looking for something totally off the wall I'd take a look at the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Advanced Race Guide Playtest
Easy way: go for a half-elf with some alternate racial traits reclecting drow heritage.
Hard way: Wait for Advanced Race Guide and build hadrok from a cratch.
Hardcore: Let the GM come with something...
I think it's been said in some Golarion-related works that Orcs and Elves cannot breed, at all.
Then again, I have no idea if your game is set in Golarion or some other world so it's your call.
I would say that you could come up with a unique mix of racials for the off-spring. (use existing ones for help)
If the DM allows the off-spring, then I am sure he/she can handwave the pregnancy with a time-skip.
I think it's been said in some Golarion-related works that Orcs and Elves cannot breed, at all.
They're both closely enough related to humans to breed, but not to each other? That... doesn't make any sense. Of course, most things about fantasy races don't make sense, biologically, but still. Wow.
I'm assuming your Drow is non-traditional. They give money to charity, volunetter for greenpeace, that sort of thing. Hippy Drow as opposed to the "drink baby blood" type?
If the DM allows the off-spring, then I am sure he/she can handwave the pregnancy with a time-skip.Yeah, that'd be a good chance for the rest of the party to get some item creation done. Perhaps an iron cage of toddler containment.
Hmm... has anyone invented an inter-dimensional space for kids yet. Heck just cast gate and wish the djinn would watch over your kid, what could possibly go wrong there?
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I'm assuming your Drow is non-traditional. They give money to charity, volunetter for greenpeace, that sort of thing. Hippy Drow as opposed to the "drink baby blood" type?
She doesn't drink baby blood. But she also doesn't do all those nice things. She really didn't care for the whole "constantly trying to be killed" thing back home. When she was young she was NE, however away from the influence of her home her alignment drifted to TN (plus at the time she was a rebellious "teenager". You know like the kid of two punks who's rebellious by joining the boy-scouts)
She decided she liked being neutral, because now she didn't really have to look out for anybody but her. However her self involved life started to end once she met Bronco (her animal companion. He's a Triceratops). This is where I started playing her. She only cared about herself and Bronco.
Now she's starting to also care about the Half-Orc, Talon. Mainly because they're both sort of not trusted by the party and they also don't like the tiefling, because he's an ass.
But as for donating to charity. Not really... that would take money away from herself.
She's really quite fun to play. She does things like tell the gnome he's only good for punting, she also got slightly drunk, sang off key and got a tankard thrown at the back of her head.
At the start of it, she would have gladly abandoned her friends, however now... not so much.
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I... doubt it's likely to come up in play, since most GMs won't want to put the action on hold for the later months of pregnancy and subsequent years of arguing whose job it will be to go to the PTA meeting and threaten them with death.
Oh that's easy, we'd just take turns. I mean come on, I'm a Drow Druid with a freaking Triceratops and he's a Half Orc sorcerer with an undead bloodline. Either of us would be scary enough, and scaring people is fun. I mean not hurting them, just making them soil themselves.
I say half elf, with dusky skin and small tusks. Orc and elf can't breed but human and elf sure can.
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They're both closely enough related to humans to breed, but not to each other? That... doesn't make any sense. Of course, most things about fantasy races don't make sense, biologically, but still. Wow.
They're not related to humans at all. It's just that both half-elves and half-orcs are possible, while elf/orc mongrels are definitely not.
Does it make sense? Doesn't matter. Doesn't have to make sense. It can be anything. Maybe divine intervention. Maybe the races' creators - whoever or whatever they are/were - set it up so only a number of specific couplings were possible. Or it's blind chance.
Don't presume that genetics and evolution work the same way in a fantasy setting, or that they're the only creative force when it comes to lifeforms.
For example: I'm pretty sure ursinals and avians cannot crossbreed. But, still, owlbear.
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They're both closely enough related to humans to breed, but not to each other? That... doesn't make any sense. Of course, most things about fantasy races don't make sense, biologically, but still. Wow.They're not related to humans at all. It's just that both half-elves and half-orcs are possible, while elf/orc mongrels are definitely not.
Does it make sense? Doesn't matter. Doesn't have to make sense. It can be anything. Maybe divine intervention. Maybe the races' creators - whoever or whatever they are/were - set it up so only a number of specific couplings were possible. Or it's blind chance.
Don't presume that genetics and evolution work the same way in a fantasy setting, or that they're the only creative force when it comes to lifeforms.
For example: I'm pretty sure ursinals and avians cannot crossbreed. But, still, owlbear.
Owlbears are the result of an insane mage or something like that. I'm seriously trying to find any rules about what can breed and what can't.
*shrugs*
guess it will have to be homebrewed.
James Jachobs said something about what races could and couldn't breed. Basically he said only the ones that could breed were the Half races (orc /elf) because he didnt want to deal with the mechanics of the rest. I'm paraphrasing, but it was something like that.
I don't remember exactly where the thread is, so if you really want to know you'll have to rely on your own search fu.
They're both closely enough related to humans to breed, but not to each other? That... doesn't make any sense. Of course, most things about fantasy races don't make sense, biologically, but still. Wow.They're not related to humans at all. It's just that both half-elves and half-orcs are possible, while elf/orc mongrels are definitely not.
It just seems really difficult to handwave, because it's such a basic fact of biology. Like a sci-fi show saying "Oh, with this race, then men get pregnant, the women have no part after the initial act". Really? Then why do they have breasts?
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I think it's been said in some Golarion-related works that Orcs and Elves cannot breed, at all.They're both closely enough related to humans to breed, but not to each other? That... doesn't make any sense. Of course, most things about fantasy races don't make sense, biologically, but still. Wow.
Actually, there a myriad of real world examples to support this, usually with species belonging to the same Genera. For example if we look at the Genus Canidae in North America, we have the relationships between wolves, coyotes and dogs. Wolves and dogs can interbreed and produce hybrids, Wolves and coyotes and also interbreed and create viable hybrids, but Dogs and Coyotes cannot. They are genetically incompatible.
Of course that never stops peoples' imaginations, rumors and stories abound of strange hybrids running around in the north woods.
Thankfully we all play in a fantasy world, we're free to do whatever we want :) Enjoy the drow/orc/human hybrid. Have you ever considered the lowly Mongreman as a template? :)
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Owlbears are the result of an insane mage or something like that. I'm seriously trying to find any rules about what can breed and what can't.
*shrugs*
guess it will have to be homebrewed.
There's actually a book on the subject of what can and cant breed. It's third party, and has essentially been banned stores. I'm fairly certain that the OGL got pulled on it since it was deemed "too adult". It IS 18+ material... I got lucky and managed to pick up the last copy at my LGS before it got pulled. Also, it's meant for 3.0, I believe... But that's only if you want to get the mechanics and such involved...
I happens to say your foxy Drow can't breed with that devilish half-orc. However, if your DM is kind enough to utilize Rule 0 and say "sure why the hell not", then in general elven pregnancies are supposed to take 24 months (only have a 5% of succeeding at pregnancy to boot), and it doesn't happen to have a time or % of successful insemination for half-orcs...
Remember, this is third party, and extremely hard to find, so, yeah... On that note, given the full details of the book, I will NOT be sharing it's name on the forums. I'm fairly certain the license getting pulled on it simply means it can't be sold, not that I'm in trouble for having it xD.
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Actually, there a myriad of real world examples to support this, usually with species belonging to the same Genera. For example if we look at the Genus Canidae in North America, we have the relationships between wolves, coyotes and dogs. Wolves and dogs can interbreed and produce hybrids, Wolves and coyotes and also interbreed and create viable hybrids, but Dogs and Coyotes cannot. They are genetically incompatible.
Actually, Coyotes can breed with dogs. They tend to be less than pleasant creatures that have their father's wild nature and their mother's comfortableness around humans.
Remember, this is third party, and extremely hard to find, so, yeah... On that note, given the full details of the book, I will NOT be sharing it's name on the forums. I'm fairly certain the license getting pulled on it simply means it can't be sold, not that I'm in trouble for having it xD.
So it's a third party book for 3.0 that's been banned from stores and getting its license pulled?
Also, no it's not really set in any real universe. As our GM put it. "It's sorta a Dinotopia type place, minus the peaceful utopia part"
Owlbears are the result of an insane mage or something like that. I'm seriously trying to find any rules about what can breed and what can't.
There are no rules - if by "rules", you mean a comprehensive set of instructions on how to find out if any given couple of races can procreate. There are some rules like "humans and orcs can produce offspring" or "orcs or elves cannot produce", or, of course, "dragons seem to be able to beget offspring with just about everything. Probably inanimate objects, too."
It's a fantasy world, not everything is totally logical. If you want to play in a fantasy world where everything is logical, no matter how absurd it makes things, may I suggest Discworld? It's basically its schtick.
There's actually a book on the subject of what can and cant breed. It's third party, and has essentially been banned stores. I'm fairly certain that the OGL got pulled on it since it was deemed "too adult". It IS 18+ material... I got lucky and managed to pick up the last copy at my LGS before it got pulled. Also, it's meant for 3.0, I believe... But that's only if you want to get the mechanics and such involved...
I'm quite sure they can't withold the OGL from a book. Something they are really angry about, not just because of the smut rulebook, but mostly because a little game called Pathfinder.
They did modify their licenses after the Book of Erotic Fantasy because they were shocked that anyone could want sexual themes in their roleplaying. D&D-style fantasy roleplaying, you know, not naughty nurse-style fantasy roleplaying. That stuff is pretty much all sexual themes, and the rulebooks are much thinner, and there is no OGL involved.
And getting the mechanics involved? A drow chick and an orc aren't freaky enough? Need to have an orgy with guys who are all sweaty and oily from working at cars all day?
I happens to say your foxy Drow can't breed with that devilish half-orc. However, if your DM is kind enough to utilize Rule 0 and say "sure why the hell not", then in general elven pregnancies are supposed to take 24 months (only have a 5% of succeeding at pregnancy to boot), and it doesn't happen to have a time or % of successful insemination for half-orcs...
In the end, it all comes down to the GM. If this is pure, canonical Pathfinder Campaign Setting (or some other settings, like Forgotten Realms), it's right out, since the books specifically say that orc and elf don't mix.
If it's homebrew, or Pathfinder with a GM who will make changes, the GM gets to decide, third-party book or not.
And even if the standard says no elf/orc rugrats, you can always work with the GM to do something magical or alchemical (in addition to the biological nasty) to get a kid.
On that note, given the full details of the book, I will NOT be sharing it's name on the forums. I'm fairly certain the license getting pulled on it simply means it can't be sold, not that I'm in trouble for having it xD.
Book of Erotic Fantasy.
Book of Erotic Fantasy.Book of Erotic Fantasy.
Book of Erotic Fantasy.
I'll let you know when the police breaks down my door and drags me off to be waterboarded for naming the book.
I don't think it will happen - not just because I always bribe the right cops before doing crime, but also because no license I didn't sign could ever forbid me from saying the book's name.
And no, even owning it isn't illegal. As much as wotc would like that, they cannot make owning something you purchased legally illegal.
I agree with Half-Elf and changing the flavor, but when will the stats really matter for this offspring? How long until it hits maturity? For a few years, it's going to be a mewling little thing, that you would probably give to someone else to raise, or you'll need some sort of protected way of carrying it around. And forget about making stealth checks.
"Hey guys, I need like a five minute break from this combat. Gotta feed the baby, y'know."
I am probably the only one who thought of Two-Edge, from Elfquest when I read this, even though I imagine him as more of an Elf/Dwarf. And also the only one who will likely admit that I read and greatly enjoyed Elfquest back in the day (days of middle school that is).
I think that this is pretty cool. The DM should remember that BBEG's who own demiplanes with wonky time traits will allow you to have your cake and eat it too in terms of having the child of the PC's as a viable character.
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I was more referring to this being a public forum, don't need Moral Guardian types flagging me for mentioning it. I'd rather just not deal with the trouble....
In the mean time, I agree with everyone else. Half-elf base, change the flavor, maybe see if you can't change up a few things to better fit the orc heritage. I suppose it might only matter much later on, if one of you decides to try and play it in one of your group's games that takes place in the future of the game world. Still, it's awesome fluff.
I'd recommend the half-elf for basic stats as well, just for ease of play. If you don't like that, or want something a little more exotic, try the Dark Stalker (minus the natural hit dice and explosion thing when it dies). Its traits and abilities make a pretty decent mesh with a human/orc/drow hybrid, especially if you're a drow noble.
I know someone already mentioned the mongrelman, but the mongrelfolk (from 3.5) might also work fairly well, as might the weird orc-variant-thing (same book) that I've forgotten the name of from Races of Destiny.
After much, much, much, much searching for other games where similar things have happened, I can assure you that printed rules are few and far between, and basically people make it up. If you'd really like, for a home brew setting I created a large array of stats for half-breeds and part-breeds of various kinds (up to a certain point, then it just kind of gets standardized), so I could try and look that up for you, but it'd probably take a bit of doing.
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I'd recommend the half-elf for basic stats as well, just for ease of play. If you don't like that, or want something a little more exotic, try the Dark Stalker (minus the natural hit dice and explosion thing when it dies). Its traits and abilities make a pretty decent mesh with a human/orc/drow hybrid, especially if you're a drow noble.
I know someone already mentioned the mongrelman, but the mongrelfolk (from 3.5) might also work fairly well, as might the weird orc-variant-thing (same book) that I've forgotten the name of from Races of Destiny.
After much, much, much, much searching for other games where similar things have happened, I can assure you that printed rules are few and far between, and basically people make it up. If you'd really like, for a home brew setting I created a large array of stats for half-breeds and part-breeds of various kinds (up to a certain point, then it just kind of gets standardized), so I could try and look that up for you, but it'd probably take a bit of doing.
I'd LOVE that.
Halfbreeds are tons of fun.