are there limits on what animal you can use for a lycanthrope??
also, im a little confused by the math for two pc types:
lvl 3: direlion/oread (natural lycanthrope) barbarian : lvl 2/+1 = lvl 3
lvl 7: diretiger/oread (natural lycanthrope) druid (lion/tiger shaman): lvl6/ +1 lycanthrope= lvl 7?
i would think that a wereelephant would make a pretty bada** tank, or even a weremammoth, i was just wondering about the CR, and the animals you can choose
and on a side note, are magical animals out?
I'm coming off of two days of fever, and I'm not always updated from 3.X to PF, but I'll try and help you out as much as I can.
are there limits on what animal you can use for a lycanthrope??
also, im a little confused by the math for two pc types:
lvl 3: direlion/oread (natural lycanthrope) barbarian : lvl 2/+1 = lvl 3lvl 7: diretiger/oread (natural lycanthrope) druid (lion/tiger shaman): lvl6/ +1 lycanthrope= lvl 7?
i would think that a wereelephant would make a pretty bada** tank, or even a weremammoth, i was just wondering about the CR, and the animals you can choose
and on a side note, are magical animals out?
So, to answer your questions in order:
1) Yes there are limits on what animals you can use for a lycanthrope; that limit is the creature type "animals", and they must be within one size category of you. For example, as a Halfling, I could be a werewolf (medium size), a were-monitor lizard (medium size), or a were-badger (small size), but I couldn't be a were-lion (large size).
2) The CR has nothing to do with the type of animal you can choose, only the size and creature type.
3) If by "magical animals" you mean the creature type "magical beast", then yes: you are prohibited from making any lycanthrope from a "magical beast" (so, for example, you can't have a were-Pegasus, or a were-owlbear). If you mean "magical animals" as "an animal that has a spell applied to it" the question is irrelevant, and thus also, effectively, "no" - you don't imitate a magical spell with lycanthrope, you only overlay the animal (plus elements of the lycanthrope template) as a template onto the base creature.
To reiterate:
A lycanthrope must be a humanoid of some kind or another (the bestiary gives a decently large list of humanoids in the back, and all the base player races are humanoids). That humanoid is called the "base creature".
The template applies the benefits/stats of one creature with an animal type (again, a nice, large list at the back of the bestiary) within one size category of the base creature (humanoid). Magical beasts is a different creature type, and thus do not apply. Magically changed animals are irrelevant, as either a permanent magical alteration to a particular creature doesn't translate into a lycanthrope's condition, or you can change the lycanthrope magically while it's in animal form as if its an animal. No other creature types are viable for lycanthrope, as written.
To judge the CR adjustment, you use either the template's CR, or the CR of the CR of the creature; whichever is higher, as Luminiere Solas said.
Does that clarify everything for you?
Note that under Pathfinder, Giants are humanoids now, with the Giant subtype. This means that you can end up with Giant werecreatures now.
I'm seriously considering sending a Giant Werehorse or Giant Werelion or Giant were-stegasaurus. :) Yes, a giant could be a were of a huge creature. :)
I'm seriously considering sending a Giant Werehorse or Giant Werelion or Giant were-stegasaurus. :) Yes, a giant could be a were of a huge creature. :)
Visual reference for that at
http://images.wikia.com/darkwingduck/images/1/19/Stegmutt.jpg
I'm seriously considering sending a Giant Werehorse or Giant Werelion or Giant were-stegasaurus. :) Yes, a giant could be a were of a huge creature. :)
Visual reference for that at
http://images.wikia.com/darkwingduck/images/1/19/Stegmutt.jpg
LOL
I'm coming off of two days of fever, and I'm not always updated from 3.X to PF, but I'll try and help you out as much as I can.
are there limits on what animal you can use for a lycanthrope??
also, im a little confused by the math for two pc types:
lvl 3: direlion/oread (natural lycanthrope) barbarian : lvl 2/+1 = lvl 3lvl 7: diretiger/oread (natural lycanthrope) druid (lion/tiger shaman): lvl6/ +1 lycanthrope= lvl 7?
i would think that a wereelephant would make a pretty bada** tank, or even a weremammoth, i was just wondering about the CR, and the animals you can choose
and on a side note, are magical animals out?
So, to answer your questions in order:
1) Yes there are limits on what animals you can use for a lycanthrope; that limit is the creature type "animals", and they must be within one size category of you. For example, as a Halfling, I could be a werewolf (medium size), a were-monitor lizard (medium size), or a were-badger (small size), but I couldn't be a were-lion (large size).
2) The CR has nothing to do with the type of animal you can choose, only the size and creature type.
3) If by "magical animals" you mean the creature type "magical beast", then yes: you are prohibited from making any lycanthrope from a "magical beast" (so, for example, you can't have a were-Pegasus, or a were-owlbear). If you mean "magical animals" as "an animal that has a spell applied to it" the question is irrelevant, and thus also, effectively, "no" - you don't imitate a magical spell with lycanthrope, you only overlay the animal (plus elements of the lycanthrope template) as a template onto the base creature.
To reiterate:
A lycanthrope must be a humanoid of some kind or another (the bestiary gives a decently large list of humanoids in the back, and all the base player races are humanoids). That humanoid is called the "base creature".
The template applies the benefits/stats of one creature with an animal type (again, a nice, large list at the back...
actually, yes thanks :)