Can a Sohei monk use Rapid Shot and Manyshot when using Flurry of Blows?

[Cheapy]

The Zen Archer's flurry of blows specifically says it cannot use Rapid Shot and/or Manyshot with it.

The Sohei's description of Weapon Training says no such thing.

Please fix before RavingDork finds out!

[wraithstrike]

Cheapy wrote:

The Zen Archer's flurry of blows specifically says it cannot use Rapid Shot and/or Manyshot with it.

The Sohei's description of Weapon Training says no such thing.

Please fix before RavingDork finds out!

It can also wear armor and not lose its monk powers. Well it loses the monk bonus to AC, but I think that is an acceptable trade from the Sohei's perspective.

As of now it can use RS and MS. That might be errata'd now that the cat is out of the bag since it makes the Zen Archer obsolete IMHO if this gets enough FAQ's anyway.

[Cheapy]

Separate threads are better for getting attention, I think. That other thread can deal with armor.

[Maxximilius]

This is indeed worth a FAQ answer.
I wouldn't accept it as a DM, and I guess a lot of others wouldn't either if they knew enough about the Sohei and the Zen Archer. The sohei is good enough, no need to open brokenness potential.

[kyrt-ryder]

Unless I knew the target had a low AC I probably wouldn't rapidshot and flurry anyway, that's eating a -4 penalty to every shot.

Manyshot, on the other hand... would be pretty nice, but does have the rapidshot feat tax. (Granted Rapidshot isn't worthless, just situational on a character that can flurry a bow)

[spalding]

kyrt-ryder wrote:

Unless I knew the target had a low AC I probably wouldn't rapidshot and flurry anyway, that's eating a -4 penalty to every shot.

Manyshot, on the other hand... would be pretty nice, but does have the rapidshot feat tax. (Granted Rapidshot isn't worthless, just situational on a character that can flurry a bow)

Sohei 20

Rapid Shot, Many Shot, Haste, Ki point, Flurry of blows and Weapon Training +6 (gloves of the duelist), weapon focus:
+24(x2)/+24/+24/+24/+24/+19/+19/+14/+14/+9

And that's before stats are taken into consideration.

[kyrt-ryder]

You are assuming level 20 my friend :P (Also I have this terrible habit of neglecting Dueling Gloves because I can seldom afford them among all the other crap I want.)

[Abraham spalding]

It scales -- I simply pointed out the extreme end of it.

Long story short pass level 10 you have little reason to not do so as your bonus serves you well for doing it -- rather at least as well as the zen archer does flurrying.

[Mike Schneider]

kyrt-ryder wrote:

Unless I knew the target had a low AC I probably wouldn't rapidshot and flurry anyway, that's eating a -4 penalty to every shot.

Subtract -2 from that (because the comparison is to other archers where you'll always Rapid Shot if you can), then add +3 due to Weapon Training + Gloves of Dueling.

-- So the Sohei gets an extra attack and he's at a higher attack bonus.