Do you need to make a Move Action to pull a Power Component for a Spell?


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Or is it done as part of the spell casting?


Pretty sure it's part of the casting... even though I'm really not sure how they do some of the things (like crush a pearl as part of casting the spell)

Unless the components are expensive, the only real game mechanic I've seen for spell components is that you need some type of spell component pouch- and thus can be disarmed of it or have it stolen. In which case, your caster might need to scrounge up this or that to make some magic happen.

ACTUALLY, sorting through the magic and finally the combat section, under actions:

Prepare spell components to cast a spell is a free action that doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity.

To cast a spell with a material (M), focus (F), or divine focus (DF) component, you have to have the proper materials, as described by the spell. Unless these components are elaborate, preparing them is a free action. For material components and focuses whose costs are not listed in the spell description, you can assume that you have them if you have your spell component pouch.

And an anecdotal buff to this, if it took a move action to pull components I don't think there's a single caster that wouldn't take eschew materials first level.

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Adventurer's Armory wrote:

An alchemical power component is an alchemical

item used as a material component or focus for a spell in order to alter or augment the spell’s normal effects. What follows is a sample of these effects; your GM may allow other combinations. Spells followed by an (M) expend the alchemical item as a material component; those followed by an (F) use the item as a focus and do not expend it. In both cases, the alchemical item does not have its normal effect and does not affect any other parameters of the spell. You cannot use the same item as both a focus and a material component at the same time.

Using material components is part of casting a spell and don't take extra time, but Retrieve a stored item is a move action that provoke an attack of opportunity.

I would say that using a alchemical power component is a move action that provoke an attack of opportunity.


It's generally implied that a spellcaster has all of the non-expensive components for his particular spells in his spell pouch, and that they are already preprepared.

Expensive components, however need to be purchased and prepared in advance.

The way I personally DM this matter is like this. If the spellcaster is doing it on the fly, he has to spend a move action (or full-round if it's inside his pack) to retrieve the item.

However, if at some point of rest, the player says "I'm going to prepare this as a power component for a spell." Then he can use the item as part of his normal spell casting action. The drawback, however, is that either the item loses it's normal purpose or it takes a full round to retrieve the item... depending on the particular item.

Though it would be nice if there was some official ruling on this.

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InsaneFox wrote:
Though it would be nice if there was some official ruling on this.

You mean like the Core Rules?

Combat Chapter wrote:
To cast a spell with a material (M), focus (F), or divine focus (DF) component, you have to have the proper materials, as described by the spell. Unless these components are elaborate, preparing them is a free action. For material components and focuses whose costs are not listed in the spell description, you can assume that you have them if you have your spell component pouch.

It's also listed in the table of example actions as a free action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity.

Unless, of course, it's a "large or awkward item" as per the footnote from that entry in the table.


Power Components aren't in the core rules.

The most common one is alchemist fire.

Basically he's asking if it's a move action to pull out alchemist fire for use as a spell focus or is it part of the spellcasting action?

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InsaneFox wrote:

Power Components aren't in the core rules.

The most common one is alchemist fire.

Basically he's asking if it's a move action to pull out alchemist fire for use as a spell focus or is it part of the spellcasting action?

Oh, my bad, I thought he was just meaning regular spell components; I've never heard of "power components" and assumed it was just another instance of someone getting a term slightly wrong.

Nevermind then, ignore me. :P


Ah poop I got fooled too. Wasn't familiar with the term so just thought you meant spell components...


Diego Rossi wrote:
I would say that using a alchemical power component is a move action that provoke an attack of opportunity.

+1. Most of those items are fairly substantial in size and weight (1-4 lbs). Normally it is move action + standard action if you want to take one out and use it in the same round. Unless you want to hand wave and say "it's magic", it seems excessive to allow you to retrieve an item as "not an action" when used in a spell, but require a move action if you want to fetch it otherwise.

If using an alchemical power component increased the casting time, then I'd feel differently.

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