Is it just me or does Deadly Shuriken (ninja ability) totally suck?


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I mean, for a character based on sneak attack, the flurry of stars, seems way better, and it's not even a master trick like deadly shuriken!!

Hopefully I'm missing something.

Grand Lodge

'Oh no! This enemy has DR I can't overcome and it's ruining my shuriken attack damage! If only I could make one big attack that does more damage! It would still be reduced, but I could deal more than 1 or 2 points a hit at least!'


It does seem to suck, and lol@TOZ.


Not to mention the Clustered Shots feat in that same exact book...


Marc Neufeld wrote:
Not to mention the Clustered Shots feat in that same exact book...

Clustered Shot is pretty good, if your GM uses monsters with DR, or you end up playing a higher level game.

Sovereign Court

if you have a decent STR character say barbarian ninja :) then you add your STR bonus multiple times in that one deadly attack (the similar gunslinger ability has specific wording that prevents such a multiplication of stat bonus damage, while the deadly shuriken ability does not)

This in my opinion would make the deadly shuriken ability very decent, especially if one combines it with flurry of stars (bab +6 would mean four attacks at +4, +4, +4 and -1, before dex or other bonuses, and if all shurikens hit, with say a STR 16 PC, this means 1d2+3d6+12, in addition to any magical damage or sneak attack...)

Not super powerful I'll admit, somewhat decent as this will basically be a auto hit (i.e. similar use to an automatically hitting mid range magic missile - basically you use it as a fight ender on someone fleeing or someone teetering close to zero hit points...)

Shadow Lodge

unfortunately you cannot have that many attacks at 6th level, the full round action counts only your bab attacks, that means no haste or special attacks like flurry of stars/ ki pool. so at 6th level you would only be able to toss 1 star, but you cant use this ability until past 10th anyway. so at 10 you would have 2 attacks for this ability.

but yes it is very lack luster, but then again using shiriken is also lack luster compared to a bow. if you care about potential damage, then drop shiriken completely and pick up a bow. the over all damage is better with rapis shot and many shot, not to mention thats its much cheaper to enchant a bow once then it is to buy +10 magic ammo every 50 stars.

Grand Lodge

No, it says when you use a "Full Attack" attack, meaning you utilize all of your attacks. So you would get your attack, iterative, hasted, AND flurried stars if you have them in one full attack.

Shadow Lodge

"As a full-round action, a ninja with this master trick can take careful aim and pool all of her attack potential into a single, deadly shuriken throw. When she does this, she throws a single shuriken at a single target, but makes as many attack rolls as she can, based on her base attack bonus."

then i misinterpreted this line


It's awful. There's a bunch of awful ninja tricks. Unlike rogue talents, though, there's plenty of good options, too.


If it was just something the ninja had the ability to do by default, it would certainly be something worth doing from time to time, but it's not really worth spending a precious trick slot or feat on.

Grand Lodge

Apologies TheSideKick, I thought you were talking about Flurry of Stars, not Deadly Shuriken. My bad.

Sovereign Court

As discussed in my post above, I think the saving grace of Deadly Shuriken is the lack of "cannot add STR damage more than once" language. If it doesn't say you cannot, then I would add it as many times as you would normally attack. This really help vs. DR and makes it a very nice "auto-hit" skill for higher STR ninjas to whip out on the rounds they don't really know what to do...

DHTBIFOMN, but is there also a lack of "cannot add Sneak Attack dmg more than once" language as well? if so, Deadly Shuriken becomes terrifying in the hands of a high level, flurry of stars, rapid shot, greater invisible ninja....

Silver Crusade

If it works as per the gunslinger's Dead Shot, you only get your attacks "based on BAB", so no haste, no rapid shot, no flurry, sorry.

Dark Archive

O.O

What the hell does DHTBIFOMN mean?


Darkholme wrote:

O.O

What the hell does DHTBIFOMN mean?

"Don't have the book in front of me now." It's a kind of unusual thing to say in discussions that don't involve art or propping up table legs, which are what the dead tree editions of the online SRD are for.


Acronym assumption...Don't Have The Book In Front Of Me Now?

Thats my guess!

Dark Archive

I've never seen that acronym before.

I use my dead tree copies rather often. I usually have a deadtree copy open, and d20pfsrd open on the laptop.

Grand Lodge

A few special material shuriken and a wand of abundant ammunition are your ninja's best friend.

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