Exactly that. Can I use the Combat Maneuver aspect of Telekinesis to Bull Rush myself? Or the object lifting aspect to lift myself? Or the fling aspect to fling myself?
Exactly that. Can I use the Combat Maneuver aspect of Telekinesis to Bull Rush myself? Or the object lifting aspect to lift myself? Or the fling aspect to fling myself?
This is actually a GM specific question since the rules assume you are attacking someone else, and not yourself.
Exactly that. Can I use the Combat Maneuver aspect of Telekinesis to Bull Rush myself? Or the object lifting aspect to lift myself? Or the fling aspect to fling myself?This is actually a GM specific question since the rules assume you are attacking someone else, and not yourself.
Agreed. The rules don't normally allow you to bull rush yourself. If Telekinesis is not involved, this makes perfect sense.
There is certainly an argument why bull rushing with Telekinesis would allow "self bull rushing" but the rules don't specify the exception.
If I was GM'íng, I would likely allow it because it makes sense, even though it is not covered in the rules.
However, to answer your question, wraithstrike is correct, there is nothing in the rules about bull rushing yourself.
As written, the Combat Maneuver section of the spell doesn't say anything about targets, so you might get away with that; it doesn't mention objects, creatures, foes, etc. However, you'll need to maintain concentration on it, so you'll have to figure out what the appropriate Concentration check is for hitting yourself all over the landscape.
The fling aspect would allow for throwing yourself. The Violent Thrust just says one creature or object per caster level within range and weight limits, so I hope you don't have an obese mage :)
Sustained force requires an object. As a living creature (or even undead), you're not an object, so you can't just push yourself around. Even if you skirt that, you're back to the Concentration check, just like the Combat Maneuver.
In a current campaign, my sorcerer has a terrible Climb check, and I'm hoping to use forced movement to get my way up a hill, whether it's a bull rush, limited flight, or being flung. I already used it to give our cleric a boost, I was just wondering if I was a valid target for the spell. Since it's simply conjuring force and is not actually dependent on a creature, I don't see why I couldn't.
And what if the object I chose to lift was, say, my pants? Or my quarterstaff, then I just held onto it?
Exactly that. Can I use the Combat Maneuver aspect of Telekinesis to Bull Rush myself? Or the object lifting aspect to lift myself? Or the fling aspect to fling myself?I have an idea, but am curious. What do you hope to accomplish with bull rushing yourself?
limited flight?
Or movement without provoking attacks of opportunity, I suppose. Or more movement than is otherwise possible (e.g. through difficult terrain or when entangled).
My two cents: You could do it, but you would still have to make a CMB check normally; you can't autosucceed somehow.
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I have an idea, but am curious. What do you hope to accomplish with bull rushing yourself?
limited flight?
Just a guess, but I suspect he wants to attempt a bull rush on himself because the target of a successful bull rush doesn't provoke an AoO when moved.
So It's a 5 step process that looks like:
1) I bull rush myself!
2) I actively decide to to resist and thus fail automatically!
3) I move myself without provoking any AoOs!
4) ...
5) Profit!
-Skeld
EDIT: Dang! I was wrong!
In a current campaign, my sorcerer has a terrible Climb check, and I'm hoping to use forced movement to get my way up a hill, whether it's a bull rush, limited flight, or being flung. I already used it to give our cleric a boost, I was just wondering if I was a valid target for the spell. Since it's simply conjuring force and is not actually dependent on a creature, I don't see why I couldn't.
And what if the object I chose to lift was, say, my pants? Or my quarterstaff, then I just held onto it?
You can cast 5th level spells, but have no method to get up a hill. Now that's something you don't see everyday.
To answer your question, yes, you could cast it on your pants, or your staff. You would need to be an appropriate level to lift the weight (shouldn't be an issue)
In a current campaign, my sorcerer has a terrible Climb check, and I'm hoping to use forced movement to get my way up a hill, whether it's a bull rush, limited flight, or being flung. I already used it to give our cleric a boost, I was just wondering if I was a valid target for the spell. Since it's simply conjuring force and is not actually dependent on a creature, I don't see why I couldn't.
And what if the object I chose to lift was, say, my pants? Or my quarterstaff, then I just held onto it?
No go. You could RAI fling an opponent by targeting their pants or something they held. I would treat that as a disarm check. In short you are back to your GM again. The rules are not with you on this one.
so if you targeted someone's pants how would you know if the pants were ripped off of them or not?
if you targeted someone's staff, how would you know if they were able to hang on?
As opposed to having the real thing for 24 hours with Overland Flight of the same spell level?
With the limited number of spells a sorcerer knows, sometimes they have to get creative.
Dotting because this is funny as hell.
I'd let you lift yourself up by your pants in my games; I'm all for creative solutions to things. But if your pants rip then you get to watch your pants float off without you.
Sure, knock yourself out.
Perhaps literally.