I can't get what other poeple are finding wrong in cockatrice strike, how is that feat broken?
I can't think of any combination to work very often.
I can't get what other poeple are finding wrong in cockatrice strike, how is that feat broken?
I can't think of any combination to work very often.
Broken, as in "non-functioning," not broken as in "overpowered."
There needs to be more distinguishing there.
Ah ok now that i can understand.
But still why do i see poeple placing this feat next to antagonize as broken? since antagonize is broken in another sense
Ah ok now that i can understand.
But still why do i see poeple placing this feat next to antagonize as broken? since antagonize is broken in another sense
If you are thinking to a post of mine, this is what I meant:
People recognized Cockatrice strike as too specific to work (critical AND stuneed/flatfooted opponent AND saving throw) and needed a BAB too high to be taken by the monk (the feat is an ideal prosecution of the medusa wrath line).
what paizo changed? the BAB prerequisite only. the feat is still useless.
Poeple recognized Antagonize is silly.
What paizo changed? The Intimidate DC. The feat is still broken.
Thei are similar in the way thei fixes are useless. Not in power level.
Ah ok now that i can understand.
But still why do i see poeple placing this feat next to antagonize as broken? since antagonize is broken in another sense
Because people are crazy. Note that the actual BAB requirement is +14, not +16. It must not've been updated on the PRD.
For an example of another "broken as in non-functioning" feat, look at Exploit Lore. Then do the math to see how well it works.
@Kaiyanwang
Your post only reminded me that i have seen a few times before and wanted to ask about it.
For an example of another "broken as in non-functioning" feat, look at Exploit Lore. Then do the math to see how well it works.
so you are completely fine with the aforementioned feats? You use them in your campaign? with which results?
Seems like lowering the BAB requirement to +14, and dropping the need for a critical (or crit threat) would make it a pretty cool feat.
I could also see dropping the BAB to +14, making it a standard action, and only requiring a crit threat, but that is still pretty lame.
I would be curious to see if there are ways to abuse it however, as there are ways to get all kinds of effects going at that level. But really, the casters are throwing around 7th and 8th level spells all the time by that level, so I don't really see how this can be abused.
so you are completely fine with the aforementioned feats? You use them in your campaign? with which results?
For an example of another "broken as in non-functioning" feat, look at Exploit Lore. Then do the math to see how well it works.
Never said that. Antagonize is still being looked at. They even said that was a quick fix for now, but that clearly it wasn't meant to have a wizard charge at a melee type.
I was just pointing out how shitty Exploit Lore was :)
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Hey, don't put Exploit Lore in the same category as Cockatrice Strike.
Yes, it's pretty limited in what it does.
Yes, it has extremely high prerequisites for what it does.
But at least it has a use. It still grants an untyped +2 bonus on attack and damage rolls against a single opponent once per day for a minute. Compared to Cockatrice Strike, it's awesome. It's not a feat I would take, but if you have it and use it, it's not a waste of a full round action.
Since there are stronger save or suck spells out there and this requires a feat, I don't see why the target needs to be in one of the required conditions... I'd transform it into a Ki power and make it somewhat stronger but draining the ki pool (especially since it doesn't fit characters without ki - I mean, it's supernatural and all)
Hey, don't put Exploit Lore in the same category as Cockatrice Strike.
Yes, it's pretty limited in what it does.
Yes, it has extremely high prerequisites for what it does.But at least it has a use. It still grants an untyped +2 bonus on attack and damage rolls against a single opponent once per day for a minute. Compared to Cockatrice Strike, it's awesome. It's not a feat I would take, but if you have it and use it, it's not a waste of a full round action.
Well, Exploit Lore has about a good a chance of working as does Cockatrice strike, you just don't need two rounds of combos to use it. Seriously, unless you focus solely on exploiting the lore of a specific type of creature, you'll have a very hard time getting all the information of a creature, which is required for you to get +2. Check the math. By the time you get it, the DC to ID monsters fully will be near the 40s. And you better hope you focused solely on one type of creature, not any of the other Knowledge skills.
And when it does work? You get +2, instead of petrification.
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Hey, don't put Exploit Lore in the same category as Cockatrice Strike.
Yes, it's pretty limited in what it does.
Yes, it has extremely high prerequisites for what it does.But at least it has a use. It still grants an untyped +2 bonus on attack and damage rolls against a single opponent once per day for a minute. Compared to Cockatrice Strike, it's awesome. It's not a feat I would take, but if you have it and use it, it's not a waste of a full round action.
Well, Exploit Lore has about a good a chance of working as does Cockatrice strike, you just don't need two rounds of combos to use it. Seriously, unless you focus solely on exploiting the lore of a specific type of creature, you'll have a very hard time getting all the information of a creature, which is required for you to get +2. Check the math. By the time you get it, the DC to ID monsters fully will be near the 40s. And you better hope you focused solely on one type of creature, not any of the other Knowledge skills.
And when it does work? You get +2, instead of petrification.
A half orc inquisitor with Improved Monster Lore and the alternative favored class gets quite a bonus on any check to identify a creature. The problem seems to be, that it's not clear how good you need to roll to know everything.
A successful check allows you to remember a bit of useful information about that monster. For every 5 points by which your check result exceeds the DC, you recall another piece of useful information.
Depending on the GM, you might need to exceed by 5 or 100 to identify all abilities and weaknesses.
Hey, don't put Exploit Lore in the same category as Cockatrice Strike.
Yes, it's pretty limited in what it does.
Yes, it has extremely high prerequisites for what it does.But at least it has a use. It still grants an untyped +2 bonus on attack and damage rolls against a single opponent once per day for a minute. Compared to Cockatrice Strike, it's awesome. It's not a feat I would take, but if you have it and use it, it's not a waste of a full round action.
Well, Exploit Lore has about a good a chance of working as does Cockatrice strike, you just don't need two rounds of combos to use it. Seriously, unless you focus solely on exploiting the lore of a specific type of creature, you'll have a very hard time getting all the information of a creature, which is required for you to get +2. Check the math. By the time you get it, the DC to ID monsters fully will be near the 40s. And you better hope you focused solely on one type of creature, not any of the other Knowledge skills.
And when it does work? You get +2, instead of petrification.
A half orc inquisitor with Improved Monster Lore and the alternative favored class gets quite a bonus on any check to identify a creature. The problem seems to be, that it's not clear how good you need to roll to know everything.
A successful check allows you to remember a bit of useful information about that monster. For every 5 points by which your check result exceeds the DC, you recall another piece of useful information.Depending on the GM, you might need to exceed by 5 or 100 to identify all abilities and weaknesses.
Sure, a very specific build could pull it off once per day (from a 15th level feat!), but in general? Nah.
And I assume there are 4 tiers of information, as that's what is usually presented when the tiers are presented.