At what point are threads too long?


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There have been a couple of topics I was interested in discussing, only to realize that the thread was up to several hundred replies. I didn't want to read them all (heck, didn't have the time!) and didn't want to cover points that had already been made, so I opted out.

What's the cutoff, though? I mean, if someone adds to the end of a 300-reply thread a point that had been well covered between replies 70 and 90, does the person new to the conversation get blasted for not reading what has already been done? On the other hand, does anybody expect a newcomer to a conversation to read over 1000 posts before commenting? Let's say you are lenient, though - how much? I mean, is it okay to ignore the 5 posts on a thread to make the same points?

Should someone read the OP and several early posts, or just the last 20 or so in a thread? At what point is it okay to make a brand new thread to discuss something that is already being discussed?

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Scarab Sages

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So, does this mean we now have to start a AWPATTL thread?


Lol, I'm not advocating more moderation or hard limits on thread lengths. Rather, I'm wondering what the etiquette is for this message board, as people see it.

As an example, I have been on forums where thread necromancy is a big nono, and you were expected to start a new topic rather than dredge up some thread that hadn't had a reply in over a month. I have also been on forums where it was a big nono to start a thread if there was already one with the same topic, and you were expected to do a search before starting a topic in case there was one that hadn't had a reply in over a month...

Different boards, different codes of conduct. So in general, on this board, how much of a long thread do you expect a newcomer to the topic to read before posting? How long is too long? And how much tolerance is there for posting new topics that are the same as existing threads?

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We don't mind thread necromancy too much but if the thread was going off the rails and everybody was full of grar, best to let that sleeping dog lie. So I'd say read at least the last couple of pages of a long thread to decide if it's the right place to post. The "add new thread" link is deliberately unobtrusive because I feel a proliferation of threads around the same topic is less useful than the alternative.

Also, I've moved this thread to website feedback since it's not really off-topic.


Also hard postcounts are a problem to play by post gamers as play by posts can get really long.

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Aberzombie wrote:
So, does this mean we now have to start a AWPATTL thread?

No this was a reasoned question not a hard and fast request.

Liberty's Edge

They become too long when they reach the point that nobody is adding to them.

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On the other hand, does anybody expect a newcomer to a conversation to read over 1000 posts before commenting?

Sure, why not?

If they are actually interested enough in the topic, seems like they would want to understand what was going on in the thread before posting.

Even the longest thread isn't exactly War and Peace.
-Kle.

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Number of words in War and Peace: 560,000
Number of words in current FAWTL thread: 1,130,447
Number of words in all six FAWTL threads: 7,686,930


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Gary Teter wrote:

Number of words in War and Peace: 560,000

Number of words in current FAWTL thread: 1,130,447
Number of words in all six FAWTL threads: 7,686,930

Gary's last post: Priceless.


Man, now you've got me curious to see what the word count looks like in some of the top PbPs... :3


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Gary Teter wrote:

Number of words in War and Peace: 560,000

Number of words in current FAWTL thread: 1,130,447
Number of words in all six FAWTL threads: 7,686,930

I know we are just that awesome. ;)

Scarab Sages

How long does it take to read the first and last page? I say NO with moderation. The mere fact that there may be - lets say - 1000+ posts tells me that many on this site find the subject matter interesting, and they are showing their interest by participating.

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Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

The six longest threads, by post count, are all FAWTL.

Number of words in A Civil Religious Discussion: 1,885,932
Number of words in Chronicles of the Silver Rose Company: 947,949
Number of words in Ask James Jacobs All Your Questions Here: 926,331
Number of words in Aubrey's Eberron campaign: 844,336
Number of words in Heathy's Isle of Dread: 522,799*

*Heathy's campaign got busted into multiple threads for reasons similar to why we have six separate FAWTL threads. This count is just for the most recent incarnation.


Gary Teter wrote:

The six longest threads, by post count, are all FAWTL.

Number of words in A Civil Religious Discussion: 1,885,932
Number of words in Chronicles of the Silver Rose Company: 947,949
Number of words in Ask James Jacobs All Your Questions Here: 926,331
Number of words in Aubrey's Eberron campaign: 844,336
Number of words in Heathy's Isle of Dread: 522,799*

*Heathy's campaign got busted into multiple threads for reasons similar to why we have six separate FAWTL threads. This count is just for the most recent incarnation.

Wow. That's pretty awesome.

What about the oldest thread that still sees some action?

Scarab Sages

Gary Teter wrote:

Number of words in War and Peace: 560,000

Number of words in current FAWTL thread: 1,130,447
Number of words in all six FAWTL threads: 7,686,930

SWEET!!!

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Freehold DM wrote:
What about the oldest thread that still sees some action?

That's a little harder to decide because old threads get resurrected all the time, but there are 10 threads with more than 5,000 posts, active in the past 30 days, that were created over two years ago. Threads not already counted above:

Age of Darkness: 839,723 words (April 2007)
Valgrymr's Homebrew: 816,121 words (April 2008)
Aubrey's Rise of the Runelords campaign: 463,903 words (April 2007)
Seeker's Pathfinder Savage tide: 432,123 words (June 2008)
The Angry Jack Cult: 323,438 words (September 2008)
Raise of the Poodle Lords: 272,946 words (September 2008)

A note about methodology: I'm only pulling long threads by number of posts, so conceivably I'm missing some threads with lots of words crammed into a smaller post count. The "words" count is technically a count of spaces between words.


Any chance of a leaderboard? Maybe with some descriptions for the newcomers?

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Oh hell no. :)

Seriously though it's not a competition and I don't want to make it one. Seems like people find active threads of interest without something like that well enough as it is.

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Gary Teter wrote:

The Angry Jack Cult: 323,438 words (September 2008)

Woo hoo!


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To answer the OP. Wednesday! threads are too long on Wednesday.


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what is the FAWTL thread i tried to read it but got bored


Lobolusk wrote:
what is the FAWTL thread i tried to read it but got bored

It is the thread that has not died, and shall not die.

It started as a complaint about thread length, much like this thread.

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Justin Franklin wrote:
To answer the OP. Wednesday! threads are too long on Wednesday.

Just don't post after midnight...


I'd say about post 25 the thread is getting too long. IMHO.

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taig wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
To answer the OP. Wednesday! threads are too long on Wednesday.

Just don't post after midnight...

I thought you couldn't get it wet?

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Callous Jack wrote:
taig wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
To answer the OP. Wednesday! threads are too long on Wednesday.

Just don't post after midnight...

I thought you couldn't get it wet?

That's Cosmo's Moustache.

Grand Lodge

Never understood the 'after midnight' thing. Which timezone? Isn't it always after midnight the night before? How long do you have to wait until it's safe? Can you just set all the clocks back six hours, since time is a man-made invention?

On topic, hopefully the OP will not be scared off like the poster that started FAWTL. Some people just can't handle huge lengths.

Liberty's Edge

Gary Teter wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
What about the oldest thread that still sees some action?

That's a little harder to decide because old threads get resurrected all the time, but there are 10 threads with more than 5,000 posts, active in the past 30 days, that were created over two years ago. Threads not already counted above:

Age of Darkness: 839,723 words (April 2007)

My pbp game, yay!

I think its the oldest still active pbp game on the board ... by a few hours. :-)

Liberty's Edge

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Number of words in current FAWTL thread: 1,130,447

Sure, but the OP was only referring to interesting threads, that someone might want to read...

-Kle.

Scarab Sages

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Lobolusk wrote:
what is the FAWTL thread i tried to read it but got bored

It's the home of FAWTLY Gang. We beat up other posters, and go through their avatar's pockets for loose homebrew rules.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:

Never understood the 'after midnight' thing. Which timezone? Isn't it always after midnight the night before? How long do you have to wait until it's safe? Can you just set all the clocks back six hours, since time is a man-made invention?

On topic, hopefully the OP will not be scared off like the poster that started FAWTL. Some people just can't handle huge lengths.

That's insane troll logic.

;)


taig wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
taig wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
To answer the OP. Wednesday! threads are too long on Wednesday.

Just don't post after midnight...

I thought you couldn't get it wet?

That's Cosmo's Moustache.

I need watering and fertilizer every day.

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Callous Jack wrote:


That's insane troll logic.
;)

Only on days that end in three.


TriOmegaZero wrote:

Never understood the 'after midnight' thing. Which timezone? Isn't it always after midnight the night before? How long do you have to wait until it's safe? Can you just set all the clocks back six hours, since time is a man-made invention?

On topic, hopefully the OP will not be scared off like the poster that started FAWTL. Some people just can't handle huge lengths.

My answer here is the same offered to critics of per-diem magic abilities: celestial rotation.


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IT IS WEDNESDAY!!! This thread is too long!!!!

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Evil Lincoln wrote:
My answer here is the same offered to critics of per-diem magic abilities: celestial rotation.

What point of the rotation?


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Evil Lincoln wrote:
My answer here is the same offered to critics of per-diem magic abilities: celestial rotation.
What point of the rotation?

The magic one.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
On topic, hopefully the OP will not be scared off like the poster that started FAWTL. Some people just can't handle huge lengths.

Nah, I just have an erratic orbit - I wind up on the forums for a few weeks, then go quiet for a few months.

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Since it is Thursday this post is no longer too long.

Silver Crusade

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Never understood the 'after midnight' thing. Which timezone? Isn't it always after midnight the night before? How long do you have to wait until it's safe? Can you just set all the clocks back six hours, since time is a man-made invention?

On topic, hopefully the OP will not be scared off like the poster that started FAWTL. Some people just can't handle huge lengths.

o.O


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I agree with the OP. I often find what looks like an interesting topic, only to be discouraged by the low signal-to-noise ratio. And Fawtlies are noisy. :P

The new favorite system may help. It's easy to find favorited (?) posts while scrolling quickly through a thread. If people favorite answers they find helpful, it makes life easier on casual browsers.

"Favorite" has just been verbed.

P.S. - We have the best PostMonster General EVAR.


Aberzombie wrote:
Lobolusk wrote:
what is the FAWTL thread i tried to read it but got bored

It's the home of FAWTLY Gang. We beat up other posters, and go through their avatar's pockets for loose homebrew rules.

And brains and hearts... don't forget the important stuff.

Liberty's Edge

Length don't bother me. What I always hear about is thread GIRTH!

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