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So at PZCon I heard via the rumor mill that there were folks out there that would not stay around a table if a magus joined the party. Given that this was the rumor mill I chalked it up as idle gossip, but now I've seen some comments here and there on the forums that seem to support it. Are there folks out there who dislike the class so much they won't play in a group if one joins? This is the first time I've ever heard anything like this so it peaked my curiosity enough to ask is it true and why?
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I'm not going to name names but that rumor probably inspired by a poster on this message board who said exactly that he would walk away from a table if he could not get a magus player to choose a different character.
I wonder what he'd do if the GM ended up having to play a Magus NPC in a module. You know they're going to end up in modules. That'd be humorous...
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Interesting. I haven't really heard much of a gripe about the Magus. However, the Gunslinger has elicited a great amount of "discussion." There have been a number of claims of refusal to play at a table with one, even to the extent of quitting the game entirely. Gawd help us if it actually would appear as an encounter-class in a scenario ;-)
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@LazarX - Yep, no need to call anyone out but I kind of hope that anyone feeling this way would speak up to answer the "why" part of my question which is the real source of my curiousity. I agree with ShadowcatX (hey are you two related?? :)) that taking potshots at the new thing is to be expected but just wanted to see what the talking points would be to such an odd reaction to a character class. (This is not intended to start a flame war though, so please, civil discourse only!)
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Interesting. I haven't really heard much of a gripe about the Magus. However, the Gunslinger has elicited a great amount of "discussion." There have been a number of claims of refusal to play at a table with one, even to the extent of quitting the game entirely. Gawd help us if it actually would appear as an encounter-class in a scenario ;-)
DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE GUNSLINGER!!! (honestly...just *kidding*...really... :) :))
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Interesting. I haven't really heard much of a gripe about the Magus. However, the Gunslinger has elicited a great amount of "discussion." There have been a number of claims of refusal to play at a table with one, even to the extent of quitting the game entirely. Gawd help us if it actually would appear as an encounter-class in a scenario ;-)
I was an active griper against the gunslinger (it has flavor issues, for me - I'm one of those "no guns in my fantasy" guys). And if gunslingers were running rampant, I'd likely slow down my play a lot. I haven't seen a single one, though, so I'm not really concerned about my own personal enjoyment. Not yet, anyway.
That said, I always maintained that, as a bad guy, the gunslinger is an awesome idea, considering that the NPC would likely be someone with strong story ties to Alkenstar. I have no issues with that.
Besides, then I'd get to kill him! (-:
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@LazarX - Yep, no need to call anyone out but I kind of hope that anyone feeling this way would speak up to answer the "why" part of my question which is the real source of my curiousity. I agree with ShadowcatX (hey are you two related?? :)) that taking potshots at the new thing is to be expected but just wanted to see what the talking points would be to such an odd reaction to a character class. (This is not intended to start a flame war though, so please, civil discourse only!)
This is the thread in question
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@LazarX - Yep, no need to call anyone out but I kind of hope that anyone feeling this way would speak up to answer the "why" part of my question which is the real source of my curiousity. I agree with ShadowcatX (hey are you two related?? :)) that taking potshots at the new thing is to be expected but just wanted to see what the talking points would be to such an odd reaction to a character class. (This is not intended to start a flame war though, so please, civil discourse only!)
He did speak up. He did answer the why. And he was entirely unwilling to be swayed, no matter the argument. Ultimately, the moderators locked the thread, due to repetitiveness.
Regardless, he has his opinion. It's an <insert your descriptor of choice here> one, but he won't back off it, as is his right.
As someone said, though, at least *you* won't have to play with *him*. It wouldn't be any fun for either of you, I'm sure.
As I mentioned with my gunslinger comment above, I wouldn't expect this to be too big a deal. Sure, there is someone out there who would potentially try to sway you off your character choice or walk, but they have to be in the same convention as you to possibly impact you, then they have to wind up at your table. Considering how extreme that opinion is, those are pretty long odds. Just like gunslingers have never dominated (or even touched) my play experience, people like this rumored player shouldn't impact yours.
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I wonder what he'd do if the GM ended up having to play a Magus NPC in a module. You know they're going to end up in modules. That'd be humorous...
It almost happened at PaizoCon. Feral was at my table (the guy quoted as saying he'd walk away from the table), and had they played tier 10-11 instead of 8-9, there would have been a Magus NPC. An Ogre Magi Magus to be exact. That would have been priceless.
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@LazarX - Yep, no need to call anyone out but I kind of hope that anyone feeling this way would speak up to answer the "why" part of my question which is the real source of my curiousity.He did. In short, he felt that the class had the potential to dominate play with it's mastery of melee and magic, and felt it was unbalanced.
I am not sure he actually felt it was unbalanced, but rather that there is a perception of unbalance and as such it would attract the type of player he particularly doesn't like playing with. Therefore he chooses to judge all people playing the Magus with a broad stereotypical brush... his (or anyone who takes that attitude) loss.
Personally, I wouldn't allow anyone's opinion matter to you, and play what you will have fun playing. If the class in question ends up having major balancing issues, the powers that be will probably fix them so no worries.
Awwww, slapping a label on a player because of the class he likes to play? That's just plain childish. Just because you play a "maybe overpowered" class doesn't mean you're a powergamer or bad player.
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While I agree that the Magus has an edge with economy of actions, but as an individual, it makes for a great baddie. The scary part will be when it is dropped 1-2 levels to allow for minions to clog the battlefield. The Magus can focus fight one-on-one or one-on-two vs. the tanks (shocking grasp vs. armor ouch!) while the rest of the group is dealing with the fodder. A couple of rounds later, the tanks are down and the "softies" now have to deal with the Magus without the benefit of screening PC's.
How do you feel about a mid-level Magus with a level dip into druid and Boon Companion with a lion (claw/claw/bite/rend), or a croc (with grab), or a wolf (with trip)?
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Thanks to those who posted the links. I did run some searches before I posted the question but I guess my key words weren't bringing me the results I was looking for.
Cheers!
Yep, those archived posts pretty much satisfied my curiosity. Thanks again! (Have to choose better search keywords. ;-))
@Painlord - Agreed. Nothing more to see here...everyone move along... :-)
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For the love of whatever god I pray to, can we close this thread? It's just going to end badly and generate more random animus than is warranted. There is nothing to be gained from it that cannot be learned from the linked threads above.
-Pain
I'm with you Pain.
Tho being the Lord of Pain, one would think you enjoyed this sort of thing. And what exactly is a 'Painlord'? Some kind of demon?
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I really do not understand the hate toward a magus?
There isn't any more hate toward the magus than there is toward any other class. One person who is capable of being very vocal can make it *look* like there is all kinds of hate toward *any* class. Currently, there is a full on bash fest going on against the monk up in the General Discussion. Does that constitute hate toward the monk?
I think the OP was just asking because he didn't want to be involved in any disputes and wanted to be aware if there was something he needed to know. That's very proactive.
Like Pain (and the OP, now) said, this thread is about to degenerate into attack/defense of a class or a full derail into nonsense. It's unnecessary, I think. So, I'm out...
I was an active griper against the gunslinger (it has flavor issues, for me - I'm one of those "no guns in my fantasy" guys).
Ironically, I'd rather have a little gunpowder in my fantasy than sword canes, brass knuckles, operas, riverboat casinos, etc. But I get by. :-)
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Ironically, I'd rather have a little gunpowder in my fantasy than sword canes, brass knuckles, operas, riverboat casinos, etc. But I get by. :-)
Oh, now it's on. You can hate on my gunslinger, my monk, my ninja/pirate, my magus, and my rogue. You can dis my brass knuckles and my sword cane. You can decry how gods-awful is my Sword of Doom, my goblin-loving gnome and even my *flying* riverboat casino. Heck, I'll even allow bad things to be said about my momma.
But you Best. Not. be sayin' stuff about my opera! My bard will be forced to tie you to a theater chair and make you listen to the 5-day Epic Aria by Venti-Puccini. For a year. Choc ice will be served during each intermission.
NOTE: The above is in jest and in no way should be taken otherwise. I just found your post funny and had to respond. :)
