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The upcoming set of "4 exquisitely detailed prepainted plastic miniatures is meant to complement the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Beginner Box with all four of the featured pregenerated characters in the game".
The Miniatures include:
Kyra, Female Human Cleric
Valeros, Male Human Fighter
Merisiel, Female Elf Rogue
Ezren, Male Human Wizard
Now just to get the ball rolling, which Iconics would get YOUR VOTE to be the next four?
My next vote would be, Four Pathfinder Monsters! But if they were iconics, I'd vote for:
1. Seoni
2. Lini
3. Alain the Cavalier
4. Tough choice: Damiel the alchemist or Balazar the Summoner. If I wasn't bothering to keep gender balance, I might add Seelah instead.
After Seoni, I based my choices on how hard it is to get good mini choices for such characters and not simply on favorites.
My choice would be iconic monsters....but as for PCs...
1) Feyia(the witch)
2) Seoni
3) Alain the Cavalier
4) Harsk the ranger.
I want a randomized box with a 97% chance of getting a druid shadowstriker cybertroll, a 1% chance of getting another Merisiel and a 1% chance of getting Seoni. ;-)
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A Gigantic Sized Spawn of Rovagug pre-paint mini that is similar in size to the Orcus released via DDM that chomps out "our current deal with WizKids is for one set only. If it does well," part of the sentence in the previous post by Vic.
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WizKids doesn't know what they've gotten into with Pathfinder fandom. There is no way out now, except More Miniatures!
I would like to point out that Paizo said at PaizoCon that whether future sets are done is largely dependent upon how much they can motivate the base to pre-order this set (and soon).
So if you want a second set, preorder now!
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Indeed, Mairkurion. Indeed.
Actually, I would like to see Paizo produce opposite gender versions of the core classes before they do any other PC-related stuff.
For my home game, my daughter has decided to use the Merisiel mini to represent her half-elf Rogue character, but my other daughter is playing a female half-elf fighter. I'd love it if she could have a good pre-mainted heroic mini, herself.
If I were using a wish spell for this, I'd like to have a full range of races and genders for all the base classes, but that's obviously a long way off.
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Indeed, Mairkurion. Indeed.
Actually, I would like to see Paizo produce opposite gender versions of the core classes before they do any other PC-related stuff.
For my home game, my daughter has decided to use the Merisiel mini to represent her half-elf Rogue character, but my other daughter is playing a female half-elf fighter. I'd love it if she could have a good pre-mainted heroic mini, herself.
If I were using a wish spell for this, I'd like to have a full range of races and genders for all the base classes, but that's obviously a long way off.
I know you're asking about prepainted minis, but I'd like to mention that in the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box, we'll have tokens for all four classes in all three races in both genders (that's 24 tokens).
I know you're asking about prepainted minis, but I'd like to mention that in the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box, we'll have tokens for all four classes in all three races in both genders (that's 24 tokens).
Huzzah! That is indeed awesome. ^_^
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I know you're asking about prepainted minis, but I'd like to mention that in the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box, we'll have tokens for all four classes in all three races in both genders (that's 24 tokens).Indeed, Mairkurion. Indeed.
Actually, I would like to see Paizo produce opposite gender versions of the core classes before they do any other PC-related stuff.
For my home game, my daughter has decided to use the Merisiel mini to represent her half-elf Rogue character, but my other daughter is playing a female half-elf fighter. I'd love it if she could have a good pre-mainted heroic mini, herself.
If I were using a wish spell for this, I'd like to have a full range of races and genders for all the base classes, but that's obviously a long way off.
That is fantastic, Vic. Thanks to whoever it was on the team that championed that idea.
You should now take that art and convert it into pre-painted minis for the product line. Now. Hurry. ;-)
I know you're asking about prepainted minis, but I'd like to mention that in the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box, we'll have tokens for all four classes in all three races in both genders (that's 24 tokens).Huzzah! That is indeed awesome. ^_^
So new 'semi' Iconics?
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So new 'semi' Iconics?I know you're asking about prepainted minis, but I'd like to mention that in the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box, we'll have tokens for all four classes in all three races in both genders (that's 24 tokens).Huzzah! That is indeed awesome. ^_^
Actually, those 24 are *in addition* to the tokens representing the four iconics.
Actually, those 24 are *in addition* to the tokens representing the four iconics.So new 'semi' Iconics?I know you're asking about prepainted minis, but I'd like to mention that in the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box, we'll have tokens for all four classes in all three races in both genders (that's 24 tokens).Huzzah! That is indeed awesome. ^_^
Interesting. I guess that teaser material on this product is still a long way off, but these guys would certainly be something I am interested in seeing.
Currently trying to convince my gaming club start fund raising to purchase a number of the sets, to get people playing.
I know you're asking about prepainted minis, but I'd like to mention that in the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box, we'll have tokens for all four classes in all three races in both genders (that's 24 tokens).
*Runs up and stomps on the tokens*
"Tokens bad! Pre-painted minis good! Me want more pre-painted minis!"
*Continues ranting and raving in unintelligible orcish speech*
As for the poll:
Krusk
Harsk
Seltyiel
Seoni
(Note: I know there is a market out there for tokens, but I really don't feel that they add that much to the game other than being a step up from using a die for my character).
As for the poll:Krusk
Harsk
Seltyiel
Seoni
Isn't Krusk a WotC 3.5 iconic?
If this hypothetical next set is limited to (4) minis, then my votes are:
Amiri
Lini
Harsk
Seoni
Would love to see Seelah, Seltyiel, Lem and Sajan in a follow-up set soon thereafter.
If Wizkids and Paizo do another set of four, I would most like to see a witch, a druid, a ranger and maybe an alchemist. I don't care if they are "iconics" or not and don't care much what gender they are.
But I'd much rather that they start working on NPCs and monsters. I need those a lot more than I need another PC miniature.
I am all for this. I think WizKids is an excellent company, and I'm all for them working with Paizo. If only they had been able to retain certain..other..properties. But that's a topic for another thread.
As for the poll:Krusk
Harsk
Seltyiel
SeoniIsn't Krusk a WotC 3.5 iconic?
If this hypothetical next set is limited to (4) minis, then my votes are:
Amiri
Lini
Harsk
SeoniWould love to see Seelah, Seltyiel, Lem and Sajan in a follow-up set soon thereafter.
Whoops my bad. That will teach me to rely on my memory!
Now just to get the ball rolling, which Iconics would get YOUR VOTE to be the next four?
If a second set of 4 was made, what I would really want to be in it would be (I might get the names and/or classes wrong):
Imrijka, female half-orc inquisitorLini, female gnome druid (+cat if we could get away with it)
Amiri, female human barbarian
Sajan, male human monk
Much more interesting collection than the current one for myself.
Yet I wouldn't really expect such a set to be the next one out. I would expect something more like:
Harsk, male dwarf ranger
Seoni, female human sorcerer
Seelah, female human paladin
Seltyiel, male half-elf magus
Which in itself wouldn't be a bad set, just still a little bland for my taste.
Are these minis going to be 'bendie', like the old DnD minis? or are they going to be tough like Citidel plastics. Cause I wan't spears that don't come of the box with a curve...
Just putting that out their.
Indeed, Mairkurion. Indeed.
Actually, I would like to see Paizo produce opposite gender versions of the core classes before they do any other PC-related stuff.
For my home game, my daughter has decided to use the Merisiel mini to represent her half-elf Rogue character, but my other daughter is playing a female half-elf fighter. I'd love it if she could have a good pre-mainted heroic mini, herself.
If I were using a wish spell for this, I'd like to have a full range of races and genders for all the base classes, but that's obviously a long way off.
Interesting enough if you look at Ultimate magic it had it's own set of 'iconic' which are different races (for the most part) and also the opposite gender of the Core Iconic.
I wonder if those are going to be treated as full iconics.
Damiel Morgethai, Male Elven Alchemist
Feiya, Female Human Witch
Harsk, Male Dwarven Ranger
Seoni Female Human Sorcerer
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I think the second set should still link to the beginners box, yet have broad appeal. I think having a Goblin War Party set (as there are definitely a bunch of goblin pawns in the beginners box) is a great idea, as a) Pathfinder Goblins are "cool" and b) everyone can use a box (or two or three).
With them being smaller minis, maybe there is a chance of getting say 6 figures in a box for the same price point, or maybe 4 regular goblins and a goblin dog rider. And maybe a goblin with a fez.
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I think the second set should still link to the beginners box, yet have broad appeal. I think having a Goblin War Party set (as there are definitely a bunch of goblin pawns in the beginners box) is a great idea, as a) Pathfinder Goblins are "cool" and b) everyone can use a box (or two or three).
With them being smaller minis, maybe there is a chance of getting say 6 figures in a box for the same price point, or maybe 4 regular goblins and a goblin dog rider. And maybe a goblin with a fez.
And a goblin with a bow tie, because bow ties are cool.
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I think the second set should still link to the beginners box, yet have broad appeal. I think having a Goblin War Party set (as there are definitely a bunch of goblin pawns in the beginners box) is a great idea, as a) Pathfinder Goblins are "cool" and b) everyone can use a box (or two or three).
With them being smaller minis, maybe there is a chance of getting say 6 figures in a box for the same price point, or maybe 4 regular goblins and a goblin dog rider. And maybe a goblin with a fez.
I like the way you think...and I'm pretty sure there are a few folks at Paizo who agree with you. A "box o' goblins" would be a great set. Box sets of iconic enemies would be awesome, as would box sets of summoned creatures, and similar minis that "everybody needs."
I do have to disagree with you on cost analysis. As I understand it, smaller minis don't necessarily mean cheaper minis. Most of a plastic mini's cost is held in the sculpting, molding and painting, and those costs aren't going to be significantly lower for a smaller creature. The only thing you'd be saving on is smaller amount of plastic required, which isn't that much of a difference.
I could be, and hope I am, wrong about that.
I would like to point out that Paizo said at PaizoCon that whether future sets are done is largely dependent upon how much they can motivate the base to pre-order this set (and soon).
So if you want a second set, preorder now!
Been wanting to say something about this for a while.
I want to support this product line. I'd really like to see more of these sets get made. I've placed a pre-order for that reason.
But I resent that I am paying $17.61 for four miniatures after shipping is added to the total bill. If I had a choice in the matter, I'd pre-order via a FLGS or other retailer. $4.40 per mini is ridiculously high.
Frankly, the prohibitive cost of shipping is one reason why I don't direct order more often from Paizo.com - I actually come out better buying individual AP volumes at my FLGS, where I get a 10% preferred customer discount, than I do purchasing a subscription.
I'm not expecting it to change. I'm not demanding that it be changed. I'm also not ignorant of the reason why shipping is so high for direct orders. I'm just stating my feelings on the matter. (And since the clamor for pre-orders has reached my inbox with the marketing message sent out yesterday, I feel the feedback is warranted in this case.)
Now just to get the ball rolling, which Iconics would get YOUR VOTE to be the next four?
Amiri, Seoni, Harsk and Lini. Would love to get Droogami with that too.
$4.40 per mini is ridiculously high.
1> Not really, when compared to other pre-painted plastic minis on the market.
2> This is exactly why random, blind packs are what have sold well, when the non-random, visible packs sold like crap.
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I would like to point out that Paizo said at PaizoCon that whether future sets are done is largely dependent upon how much they can motivate the base to pre-order this set (and soon).
So if you want a second set, preorder now!
Been wanting to say something about this for a while.
I want to support this product line. I'd really like to see more of these sets get made. I've placed a pre-order for that reason.
But I resent that I am paying $17.61 for four miniatures after shipping is added to the total bill. If I had a choice in the matter, I'd pre-order via a FLGS or other retailer. $4.40 per mini is ridiculously high.
Frankly, the prohibitive cost of shipping is one reason why I don't direct order more often from Paizo.com - I actually come out better buying individual AP volumes at my FLGS, where I get a 10% preferred customer discount, than I do purchasing a subscription.
I'm not expecting it to change. I'm not demanding that it be changed. I'm also not ignorant of the reason why shipping is so high for direct orders. I'm just stating my feelings on the matter. (And since the clamor for pre-orders has reached my inbox with the marketing message sent out yesterday, I feel the feedback is warranted in this case.)
While it is true that preorders through us within the next week or two have an extra value for us in that they will help us determine the number we're going have WizKids allocate for us (which in turn informs the number they choose to make), we really don't want you to feel that you *have* to order from us. We're looking at net numbers here, and there's really very little effective difference between X and X-1, or even X-50. If you want to cancel your preorder and buy from your FLGS, we won't hold it against you!
I know you're asking about prepainted minis, but I'd like to mention that in the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box, we'll have tokens for all four classes in all three races in both genders (that's 24 tokens).*Runs up and stomps on the tokens*
"Tokens bad! Pre-painted minis good! Me want more pre-painted minis!"
*Continues ranting and raving in unintelligible orcish speech*
As for the poll:
Imrijka, female half-orc inquisitor
Harsk
Seltyiel
Seoni(Note: I know there is a market out there for tokens, but I really don't feel that they add that much to the game other than being a step up from using a die for my character).
+1 (FIFY)
But I resent that I am paying $17.61 for four miniatures after shipping is added to the total bill. If I had a choice in the matter, I'd pre-order via a FLGS or other retailer. $4.40 per mini is ridiculously high.
Actually the cost is very reasonable because of the paint steps involved. One of the largest costs in making PPM's (Pre-Painted Minis) is the painting process. The more steps required to paint the mini, the higher the manufacturer charges. (This is why Hasbro/WotC got cheap towards the end often only having 2-3 colors per mini to ensure no more than 3 paint steps would be required).
People are buying these so they don't have to paint them themselves, but conversely they don't want a crappy paint job that makes them wish they did paint them themselves.
I know Paizo cannot comment on actual production costs, but from what I have researched I am guessing that based on the MSRP price that their net profit per mini is .25 cents to .50 cents. (Most likely closer to .25 cents).
While it is true that preorders through us within the next week or two have an extra value for us in that they will help us determine the number we're going have WizKids allocate for us (which in turn informs the number they choose to make), we really don't want you to feel that you *have* to order from us. We're looking at net numbers here, and there's really very little effective difference between X and X-1, or even X-50. If you want to cancel your preorder and buy from your FLGS, we won't hold it against you!
Thanks, Vic - your even-tempered feedback disarms even the nastiest of my moods. In retrospect, it really isn't that big of a deal - I anticipate ordering other products during the same time frame, whether it's from the American Eagles back catalog or something else shiny and tempting, so I can at least combine an additional order with my pre-order to lessen that blow and get more bang out of the shipping bucks. I had not thought of that angle yesterday when I spouted off at the mouth - er, fingers... keys... whatever. =]
And if the paint quality matches what is represented by the product pictures, then honestly, I don't feel that bad about it - as another poster pointed out, I've probably paid more money for less quality in the past by buying the later runs of D&D Minis by the booster.
AND NOW FOR AN ACTUAL POLL ON THIS SUBJECT:
(Note: Poll closes July 1st, 2011)
What about none of the above?
+1 (FIFY)I know you're asking about prepainted minis, but I'd like to mention that in the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box, we'll have tokens for all four classes in all three races in both genders (that's 24 tokens).*Runs up and stomps on the tokens*
"Tokens bad! Pre-painted minis good! Me want more pre-painted minis!"
*Continues ranting and raving in unintelligible orcish speech*
As for the poll:
Imrijka, female half-orc inquisitor
Harsk
Seltyiel
Seoni(Note: I know there is a market out there for tokens, but I really don't feel that they add that much to the game other than being a step up from using a die for my character).
-1. I am a HUGE token afficionado, I cannot count the amount of times people have gotten into arguments and even fights over minis in games I've run or been in. Tokens are easy to personalize, and just a lot less headache. Still, that's just me.
I demand more Lem.
I demand more Lem.
Lem content will be doubled in the next set.
I demand more Lem.Lem content will be doubled in the next set.
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I know Paizo cannot comment on actual production costs, but from what I have researched I am guessing that based on the MSRP price that their net profit per mini is .25 cents to .50 cents. (Most likely closer to .25 cents).
Not only can we not comment on them, we don't even *know* them. This is a WizKids product, and we're just buying finished product from them to sell on paizo.com.
Not only can we not comment on them, we don't even *know* them. This is a WizKids product, and we're just buying finished product from them to sell on paizo.com.I know Paizo cannot comment on actual production costs, but from what I have researched I am guessing that based on the MSRP price that their net profit per mini is .25 cents to .50 cents. (Most likely closer to .25 cents).
Also, a 7%-15% markup is more than reasonable. Assuming the .25-.50 per unit margin.
Also, a 7%-15% markup is more than reasonable. Assuming the .25-.50 per unit margin.Not only can we not comment on them, we don't even *know* them. This is a WizKids product, and we're just buying finished product from them to sell on paizo.com.I know Paizo cannot comment on actual production costs, but from what I have researched I am guessing that based on the MSRP price that their net profit per mini is .25 cents to .50 cents. (Most likely closer to .25 cents).
I'm going to guess that their markup is a fair bit more than that, considering that, for the Pathfinder Advantage discount, I'm getting these for 15% off ($11.04), and I'd put money down that the distribution chain and stores are going to be paying less than $11.04/box.