| davidvs |
Ready an action...
You can ready a standard action, a move action, a swift action, or a free action.
Charge...
If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can't use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn.
Can someone ready a charge?
Apparently a staggered or surprise-round combatant can, since he or she can only take a standard action. (Or does the standard-action charge of a Staggered combatant still somehow count as if it were a full-round action and thus is non-ready-able?)
Why not a normal combatant? It seems odd to have an extra option when staggered!
| Scipion del Ferro RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4 |
you can ready a partial charge.
i think readying takes an action, so you cant ready when staggered
You can ready up to a standard action, so doing it while staggered is fine. With a partial charge though, the reason you can only do it if you can only make standard actions is so you can't move your normal speed and follow it up with a partial charge. Normally you could move 30ft, ready an action to attack. If you could ready a partial charge, you could move 30ft past your allies and around the corner, then ready a partial charge against the first enemy who blinks. This would bypas the standard charge rules which require a straight line with no interruptions. That's why you normally can't do it, but I think it would be ok, in my game, if you didn't make any move action before readying the partial.
| Frankthedm |
you can ready a partial charge.
The reason why you can't ready a charge is Ready actions take place when it isn't your turn. Charging with a standard action is limited to "If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn".
Ready
The ready action lets you prepare to take an action later, after your turn is over but before your next one has begun. Readying is a standard action. It does not provoke an attack of opportunity (though the action that you ready might do so).
Austin Morgan
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I would only allow someone to ready a partial charge if they did not take a move action before the ready. Otherwise this could allow for 90 degree charges, and other peculiarities to avoid terrain or allies in your charge lanes.
I allow this as a houserule, though I admit it's not RAW.
Name Violation wrote:you can ready a partial charge.The reason why you can't ready a charge is Ready actions take place when it isn't your turn. Charging with a standard action is limited to "If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn".
Ready
The ready action lets you prepare to take an action later, after your turn is over but before your next one has begun. Readying is a standard action. It does not provoke an attack of opportunity (though the action that you ready might do so).
Actually, if you want to be technical about it, that's perfectly legal:
"If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge."When you are staggered or in a surprise round, you're limited to a standard action, correct? Then the conditional holds and you are able to charge.
Of course, what you're assuming it says is: "If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge on your turn." Which I admit is probably RAI... but hey, I'm just being technical, as I said above I houserule it anyway :P
| Poison |
I would say no, by the strict reading of the rules. Unless you are afflicted by the conditional restraints as mentioned by other people above me, you are not strictly "limited to a standard action".
The thing about this is that unlike the standard charge, one can easily spend a move action during the round to reposition themselves to a more convenient spot and then ready a charge to largely circumvent the inherent limitations of the charge manoeuvre (moving in a straight line).
So if one were to houserule the action (readying a charge), then they'll have to address this issue by adding something like "during the round where you ready a charge manoeuvre you cannot move"
| Stynkk |
A familiar question.
I would say no, by the strict reading of the rules. Unless you are afflicted by the conditional restraints as mentioned by other people above me, you are not strictly "limited to a standard action".
This. RAW you can't unless you're limited to one action by something. The text about Partial Charge in the rulebook is really only talking about surprise rounds. Charge is a "Special Full Round Action" and you can't ready a Full Round Action...
If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can't use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn.
There is a feat called "Rhino Charge" that lets you ready a charge normally from a Paizo release somewhere which has a few requirements.
Austin Morgan
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A familiar question.
Poison wrote:I would say no, by the strict reading of the rules. Unless you are afflicted by the conditional restraints as mentioned by other people above me, you are not strictly "limited to a standard action".This. RAW you can't unless you're limited to one action by something. The text about Partial Charge in the rulebook is really only talking about surprise rounds.
And when you're Staggered :)
There is a feat called "Rhino Charge" that lets you ready a charge normally from a Paizo release somewhere which has a few requirements.
From Sargava, I believe. I'll edit this and quote it in just a sec for future reference :)
EDIT: Here we go:
Rhino Charge [COMBAT]
Your charges are both violent and unpredictable.
Prerequisites: Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, base attack bonus +5.
Benefit: You may ready a charge, though you may only move up to your speed on the charge.
Normal: Charging is a full-round action and allows you to move twice your speed.
| davidvs |
I would only allow someone to ready a partial charge if they did not take a move action before the ready. Otherwise this could allow for 90 degree charges, and other peculiarities to avoid terrain or allies in your charge lanes.
This seems fair, although a silly case of circular reasoning.
Player: "For my standard action I ready a partial charge."
GM: "And for your move action?"
Player: "I forfeited my move action when readying a partial charge."
GM: "Is that legal?"
Player: "Well, I only had a standard action this turn..."
Howie23
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This has been gone over a few times; that is submitted with the idea that you might glean input from folk who are jaded on the topic rather by searching the archives rather than suggesting that the topic thus shouldn't be discussed. :)
There is no action in either 3.5 SRD or in PF called a partial charge. It is, however, a convenient short hand for the activity in question. The danger in calling it a partial charge is that it may imply something to some readers that is not universal to all readers.
You can very clearly charge a single move distance if you only have a standard action. It then becomes odd that you can do so when limited to a standard action, which then leads to a fairly reasonable houserule to allow it by giving up other actions. Whether that charge is then a standard action or is a full-round action that you can execute in some limited circumstances is unclear. This then makes it unclear whether you can, by RAW, ready the action.
Taking a full attack when making a single move charge, as with pounce, is likewise an area that is unclear.
| Stynkk |
There is no action in either 3.5 SRD or in PF called a partial charge. It is, however, a convenient short hand for the activity in question. The danger in calling it a partial charge is that it may imply something to some readers that is not universal to all readers.
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Taking a full attack when making a single move charge, as with pounce, is likewise an area that is unclear.
*Shameless* Advocate of the full round charge */shamless*
I think what you point out is a good thing to note. Charge is a full round action, theres no RAW for what a partial charge is as it does not exist as an action to be taken. It simply says that under certain circumstances (if you're limited) you can charge with your standard action.
*shameless addition* Personally, the idea of a staggered person charging seems a bit odd to rationalize, but a surprise round charge seems to be ok.
I would like to see charge ammended to say, you can use your standard action to charge during a surprise round, move only your speed and you cannot draw a weapon. Let's be done with this other stuff.