Mighty Cleave weapon


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Sczarni

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A mighty cleave weapon "let you use the cleave feat.....".
My question is, because it is not clearly stated, do you have to use a full round action to use the cleave ability or it's more like an extra attack providing you have a foe adjacent and within reach of the first one?


Vaahama wrote:

A mighty cleave weapon "let you use the cleave feat.....".

My question is, because it is not clearly stated, do you have to use a full round action to use the cleave ability or it's more like an extra attack providing you have a foe adjacent and within reach of the first one?
d20pfsrd.com Cleave wrote:


Benefit: As a standard action, you can make a single attack at your full base attack bonus against a foe within reach. If you hit, you deal damage normally and can make an additional attack (using your full base attack bonus) against a foe that is adjacent to the first and also within reach. You can only make one additional attack per round with this feat. When you use this feat, you take a –2 penalty to your Armor Class until your next turn.

Bolding is mine. I would say this makes it pretty clear that you don't have to use a full round action. The "cleavage" (rimshot) is instigated as a result of a successful standard action attack.

Liberty's Edge

Vaahama wrote:

A mighty cleave weapon "let you use the cleave feat.....".

My question is, because it is not clearly stated, do you have to use a full round action to use the cleave ability or it's more like an extra attack providing you have a foe adjacent and within reach of the first one?

Cleave: "As a standard action, you can make a single attack at your full base attack bonus against a foe within reach. If you hit, you deal damage normally and can make an additional attack (using your full base attack bonus) against a foe that is adjacent to the first and also within reach. You can only make one additional attack per round with this feat. When you use this feat, you take a –2 penalty to your Armor Class until your next turn."

Mighty Cleaving: "A mighty cleaving weapon allows a wielder using the Cleave feat to make one additional attack if the first attack hits, as long as the next foe is adjacent to the first and also within reach. This additional attack cannot be against the first foe."

The user must have the cleave feat. If he has cleave and uses it, he not only gets the first cleave attack from the feat, but can cleave into an additional target as well if the first cleave attack hits. Cleave can only be used as a standard action. It cannot be used as part of a full round attack.

Sczarni

Howie23 wrote:

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The user must have the cleave feat. If he has cleave and uses it, he not only gets the first cleave attack from the feat, but can cleave into an additional target as well if the first cleave attack hits. Cleave can only be used as a standard action. It cannot be used as part of a full round attack.

Wow.. thats bad!

I thought placing a mighty cleaving weapon in the next treasure would give the players some more punch in mele but since none of them got cleave it is pretty much useless!

And thanx btw as the full round action that was my bad.. i was totaly thinking about something else!


Howie23 wrote:
The user must have the cleave feat. If he has cleave and uses it, he not only gets the first cleave attack from the feat, but can cleave into an additional target as well if the first cleave attack hits. Cleave can only be used as a standard action.

The way it is written I think your interpretation makes sense, but it is confusing because it says "if the first attack hits." The first attack sounds like the first attack, not the bonus attack for the cleave feat. Would it be overpowered to read the weapon as allowing the player to use the cleave feat?

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