Drizzt1080
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The first set concern the Bladebound Archetype. Can you add the black blade template to an existing magical weapon? How does the black blade template affect how magical weapons are upgraded through paying for permanent enchantments vs the temporary improvements made from the Arcane Pool rules?
A question I have with the Spellblade Archetype. The Force Athame can be used for a offhand attack per the two weapon fighting rules. Do you need to use the Two Weapon Fighting feats to reduce the penalty for doing so, or does the Magus Spell Combat ability reduce the penalty to attack rolls?
| B0sh1 |
The first set concern the Bladebound Archetype. Can you add the black blade template to an existing magical weapon? How does the black blade template affect how magical weapons are upgraded through paying for permanent enchantments vs the temporary improvements made from the Arcane Pool rules?
I don't think this is a template. Due to the sentient/intelligent nature of the weapon, a black blade should be considered unique, not something acquired/applied like an enchantment.
As far as the cost/abilitiy to apply permanent enchantments on a black blade, I am not sure the best way to handle that. My personal opinion would be that the black blade cannot be enchanted on top of its inherit progression/abilities due to its very unique nature. Just an opinion though.
| Xum |
Drizzt1080 wrote:The first set concern the Bladebound Archetype. Can you add the black blade template to an existing magical weapon? How does the black blade template affect how magical weapons are upgraded through paying for permanent enchantments vs the temporary improvements made from the Arcane Pool rules?
I don't think this is a template. Due to the sentient/intelligent nature of the weapon, a black blade should be considered unique, not something acquired/applied like an enchantment.
As far as the cost/abilitiy to apply permanent enchantments on a black blade, I am not sure the best way to handle that. My personal opinion would be that the black blade cannot be enchanted on top of its inherit progression/abilities due to its very unique nature. Just an opinion though.
It can be enchanted like anyother inteligent item, no biggie.
But aside from that, don't you guys think this archetype is weak? Or that this blade, specially it's arcane pool is to low? It says the blade has 1+Int BONUS (not modifier, must be a typo) anyway, it's going to be 5 arcane point on 17th level... looks like those neat abilities the blade has won't come into play most of the time, or am I missing something?
| B0sh1 |
B0sh1 wrote:Drizzt1080 wrote:The first set concern the Bladebound Archetype. Can you add the black blade template to an existing magical weapon? How does the black blade template affect how magical weapons are upgraded through paying for permanent enchantments vs the temporary improvements made from the Arcane Pool rules?
I don't think this is a template. Due to the sentient/intelligent nature of the weapon, a black blade should be considered unique, not something acquired/applied like an enchantment.
As far as the cost/abilitiy to apply permanent enchantments on a black blade, I am not sure the best way to handle that. My personal opinion would be that the black blade cannot be enchanted on top of its inherit progression/abilities due to its very unique nature. Just an opinion though.
It can be enchanted like anyother inteligent item, no biggie.
But aside from that, don't you guys think this archetype is weak? Or that this blade, specially it's arcane pool is to low? It says the blade has 1+Int BONUS (not modifier, must be a typo) anyway, it's going to be 5 arcane point on 17th level... looks like those neat abilities the blade has won't come into play most of the time, or am I missing something?
It's hard to judge until I play this archetype and I am really interested in this specific flavor of magus. I would of liked to have seen at least a feat option similar to extra arcane pool for the black blade or an option to use my arcane pool to activate a arcane pool feature of the weapon.
With that said, having a evolving sentinent/intelligent magical weapon with its current abilities doesn't feel weak to me at first glance even with the restricted weapon selection in place.
LazarX
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B0sh1 wrote:Drizzt1080 wrote:The first set concern the Bladebound Archetype. Can you add the black blade template to an existing magical weapon? How does the black blade template affect how magical weapons are upgraded through paying for permanent enchantments vs the temporary improvements made from the Arcane Pool rules?
I don't think this is a template. Due to the sentient/intelligent nature of the weapon, a black blade should be considered unique, not something acquired/applied like an enchantment.
As far as the cost/abilitiy to apply permanent enchantments on a black blade, I am not sure the best way to handle that. My personal opinion would be that the black blade cannot be enchanted on top of its inherit progression/abilities due to its very unique nature. Just an opinion though.
It can be enchanted like anyother inteligent item, no biggie.
But aside from that, don't you guys think this archetype is weak? Or that this blade, specially it's arcane pool is to low? It says the blade has 1+Int BONUS (not modifier, must be a typo) anyway, it's going to be 5 arcane point on 17th level... looks like those neat abilities the blade has won't come into play most of the time, or am I missing something?
It's 5 arcane points on top of what the magus himself already has. Personally I think it's balanced just right. Keep in mind that since the blade gains it's own enhancement bonuses to hit, that means that the magus can devote effort to adding qualities when he's boosting the weapon.
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Adding the blade and the magus arcane pool, makes it 2 higher than a normal magus would have, and with several restrictions. It's not really THAT bad, but I think there should be more options for the blade's advancement and all...
Well, I still can't believe they didn't make an option for an armorless Magus except for the Staff one... oh well... gonna wallow alone here...
| Patrick Gurdgiel |
B0sh1 wrote:Drizzt1080 wrote:The first set concern the Bladebound Archetype. Can you add the black blade template to an existing magical weapon? How does the black blade template affect how magical weapons are upgraded through paying for permanent enchantments vs the temporary improvements made from the Arcane Pool rules?
I don't think this is a template. Due to the sentient/intelligent nature of the weapon, a black blade should be considered unique, not something acquired/applied like an enchantment.
As far as the cost/abilitiy to apply permanent enchantments on a black blade, I am not sure the best way to handle that. My personal opinion would be that the black blade cannot be enchanted on top of its inherit progression/abilities due to its very unique nature. Just an opinion though.
It can be enchanted like anyother inteligent item, no biggie.
But aside from that, don't you guys think this archetype is weak? Or that this blade, specially it's arcane pool is to low? It says the blade has 1+Int BONUS (not modifier, must be a typo) anyway, it's going to be 5 arcane point on 17th level... looks like those neat abilities the blade has won't come into play most of the time, or am I missing something?
Let's look at level 18 because it divides easier.
At 18 a standard magus has Int+9 (1/2 level) points, right?A bladebound has Int+6 (1/3 level) points - a 3 point deficit.
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The blade has 5 points of it's own
So overall the Bladebound has 2 more than a normal magus (though 5 have some expenditure restrictions) and an intelligent magical blade that costs nothing more than a single arcana at level 3.
For the cost of funneling some pool points into some specific uses and your third level arcana, what you get seems pretty good to me.
| Patrick Gurdgiel |
Adding the blade and the magus arcane pool, makes it 2 higher than a normal magus would have, and with several restrictions. It's not really THAT bad, but I think there should be more options for the blade's advancement and all...
Well, I still can't believe they didn't make an option for an armorless Magus except for the Staff one... oh well... gonna wallow alone here...
The only big gaffe I see is that the weapon enchantment ability of the magus should be something the blade can spend points on. I think that alone would be a huge improvement.
LazarX
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Drizzt1080 wrote:The first set concern the Bladebound Archetype. Can you add the black blade template to an existing magical weapon? How does the black blade template affect how magical weapons are upgraded through paying for permanent enchantments vs the temporary improvements made from the Arcane Pool rules?
I don't think this is a template. Due to the sentient/intelligent nature of the weapon, a black blade should be considered unique, not something acquired/applied like an enchantment.
As far as the cost/abilitiy to apply permanent enchantments on a black blade, I am not sure the best way to handle that. My personal opinion would be that the black blade cannot be enchanted on top of its inherit progression/abilities due to its very unique nature. Just an opinion though.
The only reason to even think about enchanting the blade is if you were going multi-class. Otherwise at your capstone you'll have a +5 intelligent weapon that you can customise with your arcane pool with +5 of bonus qualities to put it at the +10 cap. If you upgrade the weapon e nchantment, then you won't have room for the arcane pool enhancements.
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B0sh1 wrote:The only reason to even think about enchanting the blade is if you were going multi-class. Otherwise at your capstone you'll have a +5 intelligent weapon that you can customise with your arcane pool with +5 of bonus qualities to put it at the +10 cap. If you upgrade the weapon e nchantment, then you won't have room for the arcane pool enhancements.Drizzt1080 wrote:The first set concern the Bladebound Archetype. Can you add the black blade template to an existing magical weapon? How does the black blade template affect how magical weapons are upgraded through paying for permanent enchantments vs the temporary improvements made from the Arcane Pool rules?
I don't think this is a template. Due to the sentient/intelligent nature of the weapon, a black blade should be considered unique, not something acquired/applied like an enchantment.
As far as the cost/abilitiy to apply permanent enchantments on a black blade, I am not sure the best way to handle that. My personal opinion would be that the black blade cannot be enchanted on top of its inherit progression/abilities due to its very unique nature. Just an opinion though.
You can replace the enhancements with arcane pool, as it works for the paladin and the arcane archer. Besides, there are abilities that do not take up the enhancement slots.