Couple of Questions around the Bladebound's "Black Blade"


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A couple of questions, reading through the UM PDF.

#1 Is the black blade also considered to be masterwork by proxy of it having an enchantment bonus starting at Magus character level 3?

#2 Would it be allowed to have a "black blade" be taken combined with the Heirloom Weapon trait if you were going to play the Bladebound archetype? It seems to be the black blade would serve as a perfect pair to this trait especially if you want to work around the Exotic Weapon feat if you wanted to wield an Aldori dueling sword.

I am looking to make a bladebound magus as a backup character to my fighter in our Council of Thieves campaign.

Also, anyone stat out magus builds yet?=P

Dark Archive

since you get the weapon at third level, i think the only way to heirloom weapon it is to take the additional traits feat.

It should be masterwork by default, but it doesn't matter since its already magic.

It may specifically not be masterwork so other permanent abilitys couldn't be added


Name Violation wrote:

since you get the weapon at third level, i think the only way to heirloom weapon it is to take the additional traits feat.

It should be masterwork by default, but it doesn't matter since its already magic.

It may specifically not be masterwork so other permanent abilitys couldn't be added

But can't you take the BladeBound archetype at Level 1? Essentially you're no different than a regular magus until 3rd level. At least that's my understanding.


Reduced Arcane Pool. 1/3 magus level instead of 1/2, though it's unclear whether this applies immediately or not until the Arcana is selected.

Want to work around the Exotic Wpn Prof? Be a human or half elf. Use the Ancestral Weapons alternate racial feature for the latter to obtain EWP.

Dark Archive

actually archtypes dont kick in untill they replace something.

until 3rd level you ARE a regular magus.

also your weapon doesnt become a black blade by default. a new weapon that happens to be a Blackblade shows up.

Now if your DM is cool with your heirloom sword becoming a blackblade (I would be fine with it), then hell yeah take the trait at 1st level. You'd actually be kinda dumb not to take the feat (from a DPR/optimization veiw).

But RAW you start with an heirloom weapon, then later your blackblade appears out of thin air when you level


Name Violation wrote:

actually archtypes dont kick in untill they replace something.

until 3rd level you ARE a regular magus.

also your weapon doesnt become a black blade by default. a new weapon that happens to be a Blackblade shows up.

Now if your DM is cool with your heirloom sword becoming a blackblade (I would be fine with it), then hell yeah take the trait at 1st level. You'd actually be kinda dumb not to take the feat (from a DPR/optimization veiw).

But RAW you start with an heirloom weapon, then later your blackblade appears out of thin air when you level

I see your point, I only bring it up as part of the sidebar about Black Blades from the UM

There are several ways a magus might gain this weapon.
Sometimes it just appears among the magus’s possessions,
and its origin is a mystery. Other times the magus finds
a black blade during an adventure or event of some kind.
Sometimes a black blade is passed down generation to
generation in an ongoing search for a magus who can
unlock its true potential.


Name Violation wrote:

actually archtypes dont kick in untill they replace something.

until 3rd level you ARE a regular magus.

also your weapon doesnt become a black blade by default. a new weapon that happens to be a Blackblade shows up.

Now if your DM is cool with your heirloom sword becoming a blackblade (I would be fine with it), then hell yeah take the trait at 1st level. You'd actually be kinda dumb not to take the feat (from a DPR/optimization veiw).

But RAW you start with an heirloom weapon, then later your blackblade appears out of thin air when you level

Um... no -- by RAW no such thing happens -- it can happen -- but it isn't stated that this is the way it must happen. In fact the blurb on it specifically mentions that a previously used weapon could become the black blade.


Ryzoken wrote:

Reduced Arcane Pool. 1/3 magus level instead of 1/2, though it's unclear whether this applies immediately or not until the Arcana is selected.

Want to work around the Exotic Wpn Prof? Be a human or half elf. Use the Ancestral Weapons alternate racial feature for the latter to obtain EWP.

True, I should of been more clear, you obviously take the arcane pool hit and good find, I forgot about the 1/2 elf, my build is around a Chelaxian human since we're playing Council of Thieves.

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