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Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
que habla conmigo?

Dónde está la biblioteca?

Sovereign Court

Ironicdisaster wrote:
The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I am ashamed that I read the title and thought it was about Shuriken Nekogami.
You're not the only one...
Yeah, me too.

...same... (no offence).


Shuriken Nekogami wrote:

fine. here is an apology for my 'perverted' ways.

reforming is hard. sometimes, one slips back to thier old habits. i am seeing a rehab group for this sort of thing, but they aren't helping very well.

Weekly William's M rated campaigns are the only real local group in the area i can reliably meet with my schedule and lack of proper transportation. and i have friendships with all of the other players, even if Weekly William requires you to suspend all social taboos.

all sorts of graphic things happen, and there is no real way to stop it. we pimped a goat to some half orc. and Will went along with it. because, he encourages, and even sometimes forces such things to happen.

he sexualizes anything that enters his campaign. even the pack animals you spend a few gold pieces to have carry your stuff.

the contents of these highly sexualized campaigns and playing them for years can explain some of my taint.

i think after the long time i spent in this campaign, that it will skew one's view of what is and what isn't appropriate.

If you feel your therapist isn't helping you, then perhaps you may want to find a different one. Unless you are in a place where there is only one therapist and you have no other options, there is nothing that says you can't seek help from someone else. ALL therapists are different as they all have different personalities, different schools of thought, etc.

Sovereign Court

^ Agreed. I suffer from thanatophobia and CBT therapy did very little for me. Am hoping to try Gestalt soon instead (therapy, not the D20 rules ;) ).


Also, as someone else said in the thread, therapy is what you make of it. Therapist are not going to work harder than you towards YOUR goals.

Sovereign Court

I think we're in danger of coming across as pretty harsh at this point. Might be time to move on...


James Jacobs wrote:
Power Word Unzip wrote:
...said some important stuff...

Now... despite the fact that I can see where you're coming from... I can't help but be amused that someone who posts under the name "Power Word Unzip" is weirded out by some of the content of the "Ask Merisiel" thread.

heh

Late, but +5


Would it be enabling to send people to Elliquiy?

Spoiler:
Tell 'em the llama sent you.


CourtFool wrote:

Would it be enabling to send people to Elliquiy?

** spoiler omitted **

O RLY

Spoiler:

Kazae could have been sending more people.
Would have made up for my extended absence.


More writers is more writers. :)


The problem there is a time and place for it...it is not here. Shuriken Nekogami you pretty much tried to engage JJ in tiny sex(I think that is wha it is called...you find it on MUSHes and such) in a thread about asking a fictional character question....that is really just not the right place for it. Now if the thread was call 'Have online sex with Merisiel' than sure that is fine...but it was not.

Also what you keep...failing to understand is that well it is great you are 'sexualy liberated'( though it seems you have almost a compulsion...which really is not liberated at all) there are MINORS on these boards. The last thing I want to deal with as a parent is answearing my 12 year old question about child cat goddess sex habits and such. No thanks I rather raise my own children thank you.

It is not really about what you post at this point...it is utter lack of respect for your fellow members in the community. If you want to get into porn and tiny sex with people online than I suggest you go find another site for it...because that is not the purpose of this site.


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John Kretzer wrote:

The problem there is a time and place for it...it is not here. Shuriken Nekogami you pretty much tried to engage JJ in tiny sex(I think that is wha it is called...you find it on MUSHes and such) in a thread about asking a fictional character question....that is really just not the right place for it. Now if the thread was call 'Have online sex with Merisiel' than sure that is fine...but it was not.

Also what you keep...failing to understand is that well it is great you are 'sexualy liberated'( though it seems you have almost a compulsion...which really is not liberated at all) there are MINORS on these boards. The last thing I want to deal with as a parent is answearing my 12 year old question about child cat goddess sex habits and such. No thanks I rather raise my own children thank you.

It is not really about what you post at this point...it is utter lack of respect for your fellow members in the community. If you want to get into porn and tiny sex with people online than I suggest you go find another site for it...because that is not the purpose of this site.

+1

You're bugging the forum, dude, cut it out.


Although, when you think about it, this is remarkable! Shrukien Nekogami, you have managed to OFFEND THE INTERNET.


Ironicdisaster wrote:
Although, when you think about it, this is remarkable! Shrukien Nekogami, you have managed to OFFEND THE INTERNET.

When you stop to think about that, does that revelation mean that Flame Wars are the Internet's auto-immune system kicking in or symptoms of a disease?


HalfOrcHeavyMetal wrote:
Ironicdisaster wrote:
Although, when you think about it, this is remarkable! Shrukien Nekogami, you have managed to OFFEND THE INTERNET.
When you stop to think about that, does that revelation mean that Flame Wars are the Internet's auto-immune system kicking in or symptoms of a disease?

I think that's what it means

The Exchange

I like Shuriken Nekogami and his posts. I don't think being creepy is a bad thing. It works for Radiohead.


Ironicdisaster wrote:
HalfOrcHeavyMetal wrote:
Ironicdisaster wrote:
Although, when you think about it, this is remarkable! Shrukien Nekogami, you have managed to OFFEND THE INTERNET.
When you stop to think about that, does that revelation mean that Flame Wars are the Internet's auto-immune system kicking in or symptoms of a disease?
I think that's what it means

Too late to edit. I think it means trolls are the germ. Flame wars are like the fever to fight it off.


Ironicdisaster wrote:
Ironicdisaster wrote:
HalfOrcHeavyMetal wrote:
Ironicdisaster wrote:
Although, when you think about it, this is remarkable! Shrukien Nekogami, you have managed to OFFEND THE INTERNET.
When you stop to think about that, does that revelation mean that Flame Wars are the Internet's auto-immune system kicking in or symptoms of a disease?
I think that's what it means
Too late to edit. I think it means trolls are the germ. Flame wars are like the fever to fight it off.

Needs more cowbell.


JMD031 wrote:
Ironicdisaster wrote:
Ironicdisaster wrote:
HalfOrcHeavyMetal wrote:
Ironicdisaster wrote:
Although, when you think about it, this is remarkable! Shrukien Nekogami, you have managed to OFFEND THE INTERNET.
When you stop to think about that, does that revelation mean that Flame Wars are the Internet's auto-immune system kicking in or symptoms of a disease?
I think that's what it means
Too late to edit. I think it means trolls are the germ. Flame wars are like the fever to fight it off.
Needs more cowbell.

Stirs in some cowbell.

Okid dokie, Thread's finished!


TriOmegaZero wrote:
I am ashamed that I read the title and thought it was about Shuriken Nekogami.

You know, that's where my mind went first too. I'm not really offended by him or ashamed at my response. It was more of an eyeroll and a "what's he done to make people freak out this time" sort of thing.


I have to say, I am a little disappointed people did not immediately think of me.

I need to up my creepiness.


John Kretzer wrote:

The problem there is a time and place for it...it is not here. Shuriken Nekogami you pretty much tried to engage JJ in tiny sex(I think that is wha it is called...you find it on MUSHes and such) in a thread about asking a fictional character question....that is really just not the right place for it. Now if the thread was call 'Have online sex with Merisiel' than sure that is fine...but it was not.

Also what you keep...failing to understand is that well it is great you are 'sexualy liberated'( though it seems you have almost a compulsion...which really is not liberated at all) there are MINORS on these boards. The last thing I want to deal with as a parent is answearing my 12 year old question about child cat goddess sex habits and such. No thanks I rather raise my own children thank you.

It is not really about what you post at this point...it is utter lack of respect for your fellow members in the community. If you want to get into porn and tiny sex with people online than I suggest you go find another site for it...because that is not the purpose of this site.

here are a few promises

if i propose a character who even remotely resembles a child in any way, sometime during the future upon these boards, expect me to ask the DM for permission, and expect the background to be a great deal less explicit, unless i ask DM permission and hide the explicit parts behind a spoiler. which will hopefully be glossed over.

i will try my best to cut back drastically on the act of rehashing my core cast of child goddesses from my days of gaia online.

i will ask for extra time to work out a concept so we don't get another character as heavily sexualized as Kira Moonsong.

expect me to cut back on the amount of child PCs in general.

i will never again use this site to calm my high sex drive. even thinking about engaging with sexual activities with people on this board will result in me inflicting minor bodily harm upon myself until the thoughts go away.

i will try to learn to gloss over details instead of going into elaborate details.

do any of you wish to help me keep them?

i will turn these boards into the very counselors who will keep me in check.

i hope to see some kind of improvement by 2012.

Liberty's Edge

Doomed Hero wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I am ashamed that I read the title and thought it was about Shuriken Nekogami.

You know, that's where my mind went first too. I'm not really offended by him or ashamed at my response. It was more of an eyeroll and a "what's he done to make people freak out this time" sort of thing.

I was the same, except until this thread I assumed the poster was a female and a minor who really did understand how she came across. I have a little bit different view of the poster, learning that is an adult male.

Grand Lodge

Ironicdisaster wrote:
Although, when you think about it, this is remarkable! Shrukien Nekogami, you have managed to OFFEND THE INTERNET.

The Paizo messageboard is hardly the Internet.


Bodily harm? Dude, just chew gum and relax. Visit another site. Only post on here while wearing pants. It's not difficult if you just remember.

Liberty's Edge

TriOmegaZero wrote:
Ironicdisaster wrote:
Although, when you think about it, this is remarkable! Shrukien Nekogami, you have managed to OFFEND THE INTERNET.
The Paizo messageboard is hardly the Internet.

Everything ultimately goes to entropy


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Ironicdisaster wrote:
Although, when you think about it, this is remarkable! Shrukien Nekogami, you have managed to OFFEND THE INTERNET.
The Paizo messageboard is hardly the Internet.

Congratulations to ToZ! You win the "Missed the Point Award!"

Allow me to rephrase my comment.

It's remarkable because Shrukien Nekogami managed to OFFEND A SUFFICIENTLY LARGE DEMOGRAPHIC IN A SINGLE ONLINE COMMUNITY TO SUCH A POINT THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO ARGUE ABOUT CONCEPTS AS ABSTRACT AS ALIGNMENT AND AS STUPID AS THE DAMAGE A KATANA SHOULD DO ALL UNITED AGAINST YOU IN AN ATTEMPT TO ALTER YOUR BEHAVIOR!

Personally, I liked my first post better, more concise, but ToZ IS right.

Grand Lodge

'Offend' isn't even the right word. 'Unnerve' maybe, or 'offput'. Hardly anyone is really offended by his posts.


Ironicdisaster wrote:
It's remarkable because Shrukien Nekogami managed to OFFEND A SUFFICIENTLY LARGE DEMOGRAPHIC IN A SINGLE ONLINE COMMUNITY TO SUCH A POINT THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO ARGUE ABOUT CONCEPTS AS ABSTRACT AS ALIGNMENT AND AS STUPID AS THE DAMAGE A KATANA SHOULD DO ALL UNITED AGAINST YOU IN AN ATTEMPT TO ALTER YOUR BEHAVIOR!

I don't care about SN's behavior at all, to be honest. Since I am not included, I hereby proclaim the united demographic insufficiently large. Due to disinterest, I deny them my volume.

So that that, you demographic uniters.

The Exchange

Shuriken Nekogami wrote:
John Kretzer wrote:

The problem there is a time and place for it...it is not here. Shuriken Nekogami you pretty much tried to engage JJ in tiny sex(I think that is wha it is called...you find it on MUSHes and such) in a thread about asking a fictional character question....that is really just not the right place for it. Now if the thread was call 'Have online sex with Merisiel' than sure that is fine...but it was not.

Also what you keep...failing to understand is that well it is great you are 'sexualy liberated'( though it seems you have almost a compulsion...which really is not liberated at all) there are MINORS on these boards. The last thing I want to deal with as a parent is answearing my 12 year old question about child cat goddess sex habits and such. No thanks I rather raise my own children thank you.

It is not really about what you post at this point...it is utter lack of respect for your fellow members in the community. If you want to get into porn and tiny sex with people online than I suggest you go find another site for it...because that is not the purpose of this site.

here are a few promises

if i propose a character who even remotely resembles a child in any way, sometime during the future upon these boards, expect me to ask the DM for permission, and expect the background to be a great deal less explicit, unless i ask DM permission and hide the explicit parts behind a spoiler. which will hopefully be glossed over.

i will try my best to cut back drastically on the act of rehashing my core cast of child goddesses from my days of gaia online.

i will ask for extra time to work out a concept so we don't get another character as heavily sexualized as Kira Moonsong.

expect me to cut back on the amount of child PCs in general.

i will never again use this site to calm my high sex drive. even thinking about engaging with sexual activities with people on this board will result in me inflicting minor bodily harm upon myself until the thoughts go away.

i will try to...

This board is not populated by professional therapists, and posts using as if it were are exactly the kind of posts that elevated you from 'that weird dude' to 'the creepy guy'. (Yes, that is how I refer to you in other places, and everyone always knows exactly who I'm talking about.) You aren't looking for help, you want attention. (IMO. I suppose I could be wrong.)

You want to not be the creepy guy? A few suggestions.

1) Stop posting with this alias. STOP. Now. And don't return to it. This alias has been associated with your creepiness for too long and you will never get away from that baggage while you continue to use it.

2) Create and use an alias named Bill or Fred or 'Bison That Meows At The Wind'. Something that is not sexualized at all and use it as your default. Hell, I'd bet if you ask, PMG or Ross could lock some aliases so the could not be used at all.

3) Refrain from posting anything sexual or flirtatious in nature. Period. PbPs, Off Topic, where ever. Just. Don't. Do. It.

These are just ideas. Maybe not even good ideas, but it doesn't matter. I doubt there will be any real, lasting change in your behavior.

The only 'improvement' I truly hope to see by 2012 is your absence from the paizo.com forums.


Personally I'm offended that I wasn't offended.


Wolfthulhu wrote:

The only 'improvement' I truly hope to see by 2012 is your absence from the paizo.com forums.

+1 googleplex. Please Gary, Ross, Liz..anyone can't we just ban this creep from the boards?


Wolfthulhu wrote:
) Create and use an alias named Bill or Fred or 'Bison That Meows At The Wind'. Something that is not sexualized at all and use it as your default.

And if you don't use "Bison That Meows At The Wind", then I totally call dibs.


Alias for sale! Now accepting offers, bids and bribes!

Meow.

The Exchange

Um...

Speechless.

Liberty's Edge

While I haven't seen the thread in question (I've been away from the boards for a month or three), I can sympathize with those who are unnerved by posts from certain users. When I don't care for a poster's style I tend to simply ignore that user, and refuse to give them attention by responding to their posts. If they really become a nuisance (ex. prolific spamming) I take "ignoring" a step further, and block them with an ignore script in Greasemonkey.

To speak in specifics instead of generalities, I have also been discomforted by posts from Shuriken Nekogami, though he is not currently on my Greasemonkey ignore list simply because he and I don't frequent many of the same sub-forums. I think his in-character and out-of-character posts include a level of personal/sexual content that is inappropriate - not in general (I'm certainly no prude), but specifically to the Paizo gaming forums.

I don't know what the solution is here, to be honest.
It's obvious that Shuriken has some real-life difficulties that he's struggling with (while I'm not one to push therapy, I feel morally obligated to urge anyone contemplating any kind of self-harm to seek the advice and assistance of a competent friend or professional), and I think that our virtual community is compassionate enough not to simply shun him and lock him out.
That being said, the creation of this thread and the number of people chiming in certainly shows that at least a few users' experiences here are being made less enjoyable by Shuriken's contribution, and if a single user is causing a significant disturbance, something does need to be done about it.

TL;DR - Shuriken Nekogami's posts bother me as well, but I think we should hesitate to flame and/or ban him, and instead work toward a solution wherein everyone can enjoy posting here.


*Reads SN's latest post*
*Pulls out 10ft pole*

Yeah, this just isn't long enough.

*leaves thread*


What happened to the "flag and move on" instead of personal attacks if something really bothers you that much at an online forum...O_o (aimed at no one in particular)


Bison That Meows at the Wind wrote:

Alias for sale! Now accepting offers, bids and bribes!

Meow.

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DM Wellard wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:

The only 'improvement' I truly hope to see by 2012 is your absence from the paizo.com forums.

+1 googleplex. Please Gary, Ross, Liz..anyone can't we just ban this creep from the boards?

Yeah, real smart. Shun the guy asking for assistance. That'll really help him out.

-1 to the above suggestion. I would weigh my vote more heavily, but alas I am only one man, not a googleplex.

But seriously y'all, ease up on the guy.


Izkrael wrote:
DM Wellard wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:

The only 'improvement' I truly hope to see by 2012 is your absence from the paizo.com forums.

+1 googleplex. Please Gary, Ross, Liz..anyone can't we just ban this creep from the boards?

Yeah, real smart. Shun the guy asking for assistance. That'll really help him out.

-1 to the above suggestion. I would weigh my vote more heavily, but alas I am only one man, not a googleplex.

But seriously y'all, ease up on the guy.

Where did he ask for assistance? He just said he's in therapy which hasn't provided any results for him.

As cold-blooded as this may sound, his problems aren't mine, and I shouldn't be forced to confront his foibles and little act because he offers some pretense of attending therapy.

The bottom line is that these messageboards are an online interactive community for a business purpose. If this guy is weirding people out, then he's being counter-productive to this boards existence, and should be forced to go without this board until such time as it's proven that he can handle being on a messageboard without being creepy.


Izkrael wrote:
DM Wellard wrote:
Wolfthulhu wrote:

The only 'improvement' I truly hope to see by 2012 is your absence from the paizo.com forums.

+1 googleplex. Please Gary, Ross, Liz..anyone can't we just ban this creep from the boards?

Yeah, real smart. Shun the guy asking for assistance. That'll really help him out.

-1 to the above suggestion. I would weigh my vote more heavily, but alas I am only one man, not a googleplex.

But seriously y'all, ease up on the guy.

Gaming forums are not the place t get the kind of help he needs.

Though for the record, I meant to imply a voluntary absence not an enforced one.

Not that I would be upset either way.


I'm not saying thy this is the place to get help.

I'm saying that the fellow has said he is going to work on changing his behavior. If this has been a common line of thought an play style for him for several years, as it sounds from his posts above, then his mind is probably in the habit of thinking that way, or conditioned to that type of thoughts and playstyle. If so, it's not something one can easily just stop doing.
In fact, many people have an easier time breaking a physical addiction to a substance than a bad habit, which is just a thought pattern basically.

Myself, used to do a lot of addictive drugs. Quit them all cold turkey, no problems whatsoever. Had physical withdrawals, but had no problem resisting the urge yo go get high again.
Also had serious anger issues for years and years. Would stew over stuff for days, loosing sleep, not eating right, literally being hot-blooded (sweating while wearing a terabyte and shorts while it's in the low 40's). all due to anger issues. Had a much harder time changing the way how I thought and reacted to situations. Took years of diligent work, but succeeded without seeing any therapist or taking any medications.

So i guess what I'm trying to say is the guy has said he is going to try and correct his behavior, so while you don't have to help him by any means, why spite the man.

Good luck to you, Shuriken. I'll be pulling for you.


Izkrael wrote:

I'm not saying thy this is the place to get help.

I'm saying that the fellow has said he is going to work on changing his behavior. If this has been a common line of thought an play style for him for several years, as it sounds from his posts above, then his mind is probably in the habit of thinking that way, or conditioned to that type of thoughts and playstyle. If so, it's not something one can easily just stop doing.
In fact, many people have an easier time breaking a physical addiction to a substance than a bad habit, which is just a thought pattern basically.

Myself, used to do a lot of addictive drugs. Quit them all cold turkey, no problems whatsoever. Had physical withdrawals, but had no problem resisting the urge yo go get high again.
Also had serious anger issues for years and years. Would stew over stuff for days, loosing sleep, not eating right, literally being hot-blooded (sweating while wearing a terabyte and shorts while it's in the low 40's). all due to anger issues. Had a much harder time changing the way how I thought and reacted to situations. Took years of diligent work, but succeeded without seeing any therapist or taking any medications.

So i guess what I'm trying to say is the guy has said he is going to try and correct his behavior, so while you don't have to help him by any means, why spite the man.

Good luck to you, Shuriken. I'll be pulling for you.

you have critically hit the bullseye. beyond a natural 20.


Wolfthulhu wrote:
Some damn accurate stuff

Well said. Threre's a reason the Cold Turkey method tends to be the overall best one. It proves a willingness to change as well as a willpower necessary to do it. A lot of people can't, it's true, but for those that can, it moves beyond simply quitting some form of bad behavior and moves towards life affirming.

That being said, it only works if it's voluntary, so comments like this-

DM Wellard wrote:


+1 googleplex. Please Gary, Ross, Liz..anyone can't we just ban this creep from the boards?

- are counterproductive to both Shuriken's mental health, and our own growth as a mature community.

Izkrael wrote:
the guy has said he is going to try and correct his behavior, so while you don't have to help him by any means, why spite the man.

Which is why Izkrael gets a big +1 from me.

Shuriken, on the other hand, gets a small amount of sympathy and a big warning.

Do not &#%@ this up. Listen to Wolfthulu.

If you're serious about change, then change. Drop this alias, make a new one, do not draw any attention to the fact that you were once this person that you desire not to be any longer. If someone brings it up, just say that you've moved on and would prefer not to talk about it.

The only thing you get from letting people drag you back through this mire over and over is a certain level of infamy. Continuing to post from an alias that has so many negative connotations for so many people only serves to draw attention to everything you say you're trying to get past. Imagine an alcoholic, now imagine he wants to quit, and then imagine that all the people around them do nothing but talk about his alcoholism.

So put on a new face. Don't do it for us. Do it for you.

If you keep up the way you have been it only shows all your doubters that you really do enjoy the attention it gets you. Don't be that guy.


Doomed Hero wrote:

...so comments like this-

DM Wellard wrote:


+1 googleplex. Please Gary, Ross, Liz..anyone can't we just ban this creep from the boards?

- are counterproductive to both Shuriken's mental health, and our own growth as a mature community.

First, there are some of us who still think it's a hoax.

Second, if it's not a hoax, the venue of sound advice this board can offer is infinitesimal, to the point the notion of removing temptation for people to offer bad or over-reaching advice is fairly compelling.

Third, it's highly counterproductive to anyone looking at the community and thinking that it's mature, because it's the sort of posting that verifies the worst sort of opinion of gaming and gamers.


So, uh, is it too late to enjoy some vaguely thread relevant spoilerific NSFW linkage?


Has he in the past made a similar commitment to try and reform his ways and not kept it? If so then I could maybe understand not wanting to offer him a chance to fulfill his commitment. But otherwise it's very similar to saying "I don't think you can drive very well, so please Mr. Government, don't let this person get a driver's license, based solely on my opinion."

And before you bring up the fact that they have standardized testing for that, we have a form of a test as well.
Giving him a chance to show he is or isn't improving.

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