I'm currently working on a level 5 ranger who will use archery. Now Something I want to know is, if my bow is already mighty with a +2 bonus from my strength modifier, and then I have it enchanted by a wizard who enhances weapons, would the enhancement bonus overlap or stack with the strength bonus?
Mighty bows are not magical -- they allow you to add your strength modifier to the damage they deal and nothing more. Since that is your strength bonus to damage they aren't 'overlapped' by the enhancement bonus which is a different sort of bonus altogether.
Mighty bows are not magical -- they allow you to add your strength modifier to the damage they deal and nothing more. Since that is your strength bonus to damage they aren't 'overlapped' by the enhancement bonus which is a different sort of bonus altogether.
To simplify :
Medium MW Composite Long Bow (+2 STR) = +1 to-Hit, 1d8 + 2
+1 Medium Composite Long Bow (+2 STR) = +1 to-Hit, 1d8 + 3
+5 Medium Composite Flame Long Bow (+2 STR) = +5 to-Hit, 1d8+7 + 1d6 fire
I'm currently working on a level 5 ranger who will use archery. Now Something I want to know is, if my bow is already mighty with a +2 bonus from my strength modifier, and then I have it enchanted by a wizard who enhances weapons, would the enhancement bonus overlap or stack with the strength bonus?
If by mighty you mean Composite, then yes, strength bonus and enhancement bonus will stack.
Remember that to be enhanced, the bow must be Masterwork, and an existing item cannot be turned masterwork, it must have been originally created that way.
If by mighty you mean Composite, then yes, strength bonus and enhancement bonus will stack.
Remember that to be enhanced, the bow must be Masterwork, and an existing item cannot be turned masterwork, it must have been originally created that way.
My Mighty composite bow is master work of course, It's the only weapon I'll be using so the tremendous cost doesn't concern me. But this opens another question. I always thought that once magical, a weapon can be further enhanced. If this is the case or would some one need to costume build a magical weapon, with all the abilities they wanted from the very start?
I know that in 3.5 one could simply further enhance the weapon with the normal craft dc rules for creating the overall weapon, and the cost for such further enhancement would simply be the difference of the new overall cost compared to the original cost of the item. So for example, If I wanted to turn a +1 longsword into a +3 longsword, I would need to invest the I would need to pay (18,000gp - 2,000gp = 16,000GP) to gain the new enhancement. I even asked a representative at wizards of the coast, who originally pointed this out to me.
If by mighty you mean Composite, then yes, strength bonus and enhancement bonus will stack.
Remember that to be enhanced, the bow must be Masterwork, and an existing item cannot be turned masterwork, it must have been originally created that way.
My Mighty composite bow is master work of course, It's the only weapon I'll be using so the tremendous cost doesn't concern me. But this opens another question. I always thought that once magical, a weapon can be further enhanced. If this is the case or would some one need to costume build a magical weapon, with all the abilities they wanted from the very start?
I know that in 3.5 one could simply further enhance the weapon with the normal craft dc rules for creating the overall weapon, and the cost for such further enhancement would simply be the difference of the new overall cost compared to the original cost of the item. So for example, If I wanted to turn a +1 longsword into a +3 longsword, I would need to invest the I would need to pay (18,000gp - 2,000gp = 16,000GP) to gain the new enhancement. I even asked a representative at wizards of the coast, who originally pointed this out to me.
You can enchant it to +1, and then pay the difference between +1 and +2 to enhance the enchantment to +2. You can keep doing that up to +10 maximum.
The bigger question is the strength enhancement. PFS allows you to rework the bow to increase the str enhancement (if I read that correctly on the forums). However, there's nothing in the rules about it one way or the other.
Personally, I don't allow a bow, once made, to be re-worked with a higher str enhancement (at least, not easily). I usually charge a surcharge for it by requiring a spellcaster use Fabricate combined with some raw materials to add the str enhancement back in. Other GMs don't allow it, and other's don't care.
I know that in 3.5 one could simply further enhance the weapon with the normal craft dc rules for creating the overall weapon, and the cost for such further enhancement would simply be the difference of the new overall cost compared to the original cost of the item. So for example, If I wanted to turn a +1 longsword into a +3 longsword, I would need to invest the I would need to pay (18,000gp - 2,000gp = 16,000GP) to gain the new enhancement. I even asked a representative at wizards of the coast, who originally pointed this out to me.
This hasn't changed in Pathfinder; you can still improve a magical weapon in this manner.
You can enchant it to +1, and then pay the difference between +1 and +2 to enhance the enchantment to +2. You can keep doing that up to +10 maximum.
This is an important step I did forget, you are correct in the fact that a weapon most advance in steps first.
The bigger question is the strength enhancement. PFS allows you to rework the bow to increase the str enhancement (if I read that correctly on the forums). However, there's nothing in the rules about it one way or the other.Personally, I don't allow a bow, once made, to be re-worked with a higher str enhancement (at least, not easily). I usually charge a surcharge for it by requiring a spellcaster use Fabricate combined with some raw materials to add the str enhancement back in. Other GMs don't allow it, and other's don't care.
I'm not trying to increase the bow's strength bonus any further, as I do not intend to increase my strength.
Another question would be whether or not the strength modifier cost is added to the enhancement bonus cost.
A Composite Long Bow without a strength bonus getting a +1 enhancement bonus which would cost (2,000 Enhancement cost + 400 Masterwork composite longbow cost = 2,400gp)
But what about a composite Longbow with a +2 strength modifier (100gp base price + 200gp strength bonus + 300gp masterwork cost) getting the same +1 enhancement? Would it be priced at (2,000 Enhancement cost + 200 strength modifier + 400 master work composite longbow = 2,600) for the enhancement, or would it not count the strength modifier and simply cost the same 2,400gp for the +1 enhancement?
Also I would like to thank every one for taking interest in my inquires, and baring with my long strings of text.
This is why I record composite bows with strength score instead of mighty +x. Too many + notations cause confusion.
(Instead of +3 (mighty +2) composite longbow, +3 composite longbow (str 14).)
The enchantment cost is entirely separate from the base weapon cost. My example weapon costs 18600. The value of a magic weapon is the enchantment cost plus the weapon cost. The cost of enchanting an existing weapon is only the enchantment cost.
But what about a composite Longbow with a +2 strength modifier (100gp base price + 200gp strength bonus + 300gp masterwork cost) getting the same +1 enhancement? Would it be priced at (2,000 Enhancement cost + 200 strength modifier + 400 master work composite longbow = 2,600) for the enhancement, or would it not count the strength modifier and simply cost the same 2,400gp for the +1 enhancement?Also I would like to thank every one for taking interest in my inquires, and baring with my long strings of text.
2,600, you have to pay for the base weapon, any modifications to the base weapon (such as special materials, strength ratings, etc), then pay masterwork cost, then pay enchantment cost.
So, for example, a +1 Darkwood Compound (STR 14) Long Bow would cost :
Bow : 100gp
Darkwood : 30gp
14 STR : 200gp
Masterwork : 300gp
+1 Enhancement : 2000gp
Total : 2630gp
This is why I record composite bows with strength score instead of mighty +x.
Where is the "mighty" coming from? I can't find it in the PRD, or in the d20srd, is it a holdover from pre-3rd Edition?
You can enchant it to +1, and then pay the difference between +1 and +2 to enhance the enchantment to +2. You can keep doing that up to +10 maximum.
This is an important step I did forget, you are correct in the fact that a weapon most advance in steps first.
The bigger question is the strength enhancement. PFS allows you to rework the bow to increase the str enhancement (if I read that correctly on the forums). However, there's nothing in the rules about it one way or the other.Personally, I don't allow a bow, once made, to be re-worked with a higher str enhancement (at least, not easily). I usually charge a surcharge for it by requiring a spellcaster use Fabricate combined with some raw materials to add the str enhancement back in. Other GMs don't allow it, and other's don't care.
I'm not trying to increase the bow's strength bonus any further, as I do not intend to increase my strength.
Another question would be whether or not the strength modifier cost is added to the enhancement bonus cost.
A Composite Long Bow without a strength bonus getting a +1 enhancement bonus which would cost (2,000 Enhancement cost + 400 Masterwork composite longbow cost = 2,400gp)
But what about a composite Longbow with a +2 strength modifier (100gp base price + 200gp strength bonus + 300gp masterwork cost) getting the same +1 enhancement? Would it be priced at (2,000 Enhancement cost + 200 strength modifier + 400 master work composite longbow = 2,600) for the enhancement, or would it not count the strength modifier and simply cost the same 2,400gp for the +1 enhancement?
Also I would like to thank every one for taking interest in my inquires, and baring with my long strings of text.
The weapon cost and the enhancement cost are separate.
1st the bow is made so your bow would cost 600.Then it is enhanced. In your case if you are making the bow into a +1 bow that is 2000.
So the total price is 2600.
PS: To answer another part of your question, the strength cost of the bow is a part of the original bow price and always has to be paid for.