Does ant haul actually affect the penalty to movement for encumbrance by carrying capacity? Meaning if I have a character with 8 strength that is in Full Plate and a Tower Shield and has numerous other items that go beyond his heavy encumbrance limit and I cast Ant Haul on myself will it allow me to move normally?
I want to make sure my min-maxing is strictly rules legal.
Of course it does. It would be rather pointless otherwise.
If you are in a medium or heavy load due to the sheer weight of the gear you carry, and ant haul raises your limits enough that you would be considered to be in a light load, you are then in a light load for all purposes, be they check penalties or speed.
Would this also apply if you are over your normal maximum heavy encumbrance limit?
Yes. If you are over your max load, and get back under the max load due to the spell, you can move again.
Would this also apply if you are over your normal maximum heavy encumbrance limit?
Yes. You figure out what your new capacity is, look at how much your carrying, and then figure out if you're now light, medium, or heavily encumbered.
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Does ant haul actually affect the penalty to movement for encumbrance by carrying capacity? Meaning if I have a character with 8 strength that is in Full Plate and a Tower Shield and has numerous other items that go beyond his heavy encumbrance limit and I cast Ant Haul on myself will it allow me to move normally?
I want to make sure my min-maxing is strictly rules legal.
As others have said, the weight would be handled, however your speed would still be slowed due to the armor, and you'd still have all the armor check penalties from the armor and shield. Ant haul just lets you carry more stuff than normal, it doesn't get rid of armor penalties.
As others have said, the weight would be handled, however your speed would still be slowed due to the armor, and you'd still have all the armor check penalties from the armor and shield. Ant haul just lets you carry more stuff than normal, it doesn't get rid of armor penalties.Does ant haul actually affect the penalty to movement for encumbrance by carrying capacity? Meaning if I have a character with 8 strength that is in Full Plate and a Tower Shield and has numerous other items that go beyond his heavy encumbrance limit and I cast Ant Haul on myself will it allow me to move normally?
I want to make sure my min-maxing is strictly rules legal.
I think I've heard about this character in another thread. :)
Anyway, also note that the non-proficiency penalties would apply no matter what, if you're not proficient with tower shield or full plate. And that's regardless of whether you can move around in it due to Ant Haul.
The armor check penalty for Full Plate is -6, and for a Tower Shield it's -10. That's -16 (they stack). If you aren't proficient with them, then the -16 also applies to attack rolls as well (meaning you never hit unless you have a true strike going). That includes ranged touch attacks for spells. Oh, and all DEX and STR skills have a -16 penalty.
As others have said, the weight would be handled, however your speed would still be slowed due to the armor, and you'd still have all the armor check penalties from the armor and shield. Ant haul just lets you carry more stuff than normal, it doesn't get rid of armor penalties.Does ant haul actually affect the penalty to movement for encumbrance by carrying capacity? Meaning if I have a character with 8 strength that is in Full Plate and a Tower Shield and has numerous other items that go beyond his heavy encumbrance limit and I cast Ant Haul on myself will it allow me to move normally?
I want to make sure my min-maxing is strictly rules legal.
Quite right.
I was told in another thread that that -16 penalty would also apply to CMB checks
not CMD checks.
So Lord Zod I would suggest 1 level of fighter or the Combat Casting Feat. I see grapples being a pain to escape, though they would still have to get past your CMD.
I was told in another thread that that -16 penalty would also apply to CMB checks
not CMD checks.
Yep. CMB checks are considered attack rolls. Therefore if you are taking penalties to your attack rolls due to non-proficiency, than it would definitely apply to your CMB checks as well (but not CMD).
Don't forget though, that you likely have NO Dex bonus to CMD thanks to the Tower Shield and Full Plate Mail. Remember, penalties to AC (including penalties to your Dex Bonus to AC) affect your CMD.
For the time being I've gotten around this by taking Heavy Armor proficiency and downgraded my shield to get rid of the penalty to the attack rolls. I think the movement penalty is a decent trade off to having high AC. I got it OK'd to trade out my Toughness feat for that.
My min-maxing (probably) makes me a relatively terrible human being.
Not especially. PFS play is sort of pre-disposed toward power game/min maxing. The rules limit what the GMs can do, and the fixed APs mean that people never can build up a decent teamwork with each other, so, you have to min/max since you really can only count on yourself.
Be warned the next time you are surrounded by grappling demons. A single dump of fighter will give you these armor, shield prof and a combat feat as well as saves and weapon prof. Always a thought, since you playing PFS.
I am not sure I like the Tower shield to much, I think I like a darkwood heavy much better. The ar pen difference is huge.
Good strategy..
does ant haul take away the weight of the Shield? or is it also considered "armor" and thus ant haul like plate mail armor would not work.
does ant haul take away the weight of the Shield? or is it also considered "armor" and thus ant haul like plate mail armor would not work.
One, holy Necro batman. Two, I don't understand your question. Ant Haul doesn't reduce item's weight. It just makes you able to carry more weight.
Indeed Atalius the Necro is here once again. Ya sorry for the lack of clarity ill try again. I mean I know ant haul doesn't work on body armor ie. plate mail, but would it work for a shield? or is that also considered "armor"?
Ant haul doesn't do anything to a shield or armor, or even your character's underwear. All it does is increase carrying capacity. I'm assuming you are asking if it reduces Armor Check Penalty? As that was what was being talked about above. The answer to that is a solid no. As Armor Check Penalty has nothing to do with the weight of the armor/shield.
"It also has no effect on encumbrance due to armor. If the creature wears armor it still takes the normal penalties for doing so regardless of how much weight the spell allows it to carry." Would a shield be considered armor as well?
It does nothing to armor, to shields, or anything else but what Toasted put. It triples your carry weight. It doesn't do anything else.
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Would a shield be considered armor as well?
On page 150 of the Pathfinder Core Rulebook, shields are included in the list of types of armor.
Thanks all. I understand.
I suggest you check out Effortless Armor and Lighten Object.
While they only last a minute per level, they do wonders on armor check and weight.
/cevah