Metamagic Maximize + summoned creatures = max HP and / or max # of creatures?

[beej67]

Couldn't find the answer anywhere in a search, which is surprising since I figured it would have come up at least once before.

Metamagic maximize rod, or simply maximize metamagic feat.
Summon Monster, or Summon Nature's Ally

Do you get the max dice result for number of summoned creatures?
Do you get max hit points for those summoned creatures?

[Brain in a Jar]

It wouldn't give the creature max anything as the meta-magic only effects the spell. But it would maximize the number of creatures summoned.

Example: Summon Monster II
This spell functions like summon monster I, except that you can summon one creature from the 2nd-level list or 1d3 creatures of the same kind from the 1st-level list.

So the 1d3 would be maximized if you summoned from the level 1 list.

[Set]

Hit points aren't rolled for generic monsters, but have the average result. Even if they are being rolled, it's not a numeric variable *of the spell.*

Only the number rolled, when summoning monsters from a lower level list, would affected by empower / maximize.

[leo1925]

Why was under the impression that summon spells can't be empowered/maximized?
I thought that it had been some errata/FAQ that it doesn't work.
Am i just imagining things?

[wraithstrike]

leo1925 wrote:

Why was under the impression that summon spells can't be empowered/maximized?

I thought that it had been some errata/FAQ that it doesn't work.
Am i just imagining things?

If you use a summon monster 3 to summon a monster from the summon monster 2 list it can be empowered or maximized because the number of monster is variable.

[beej67]

Gotcha, thanks. That's about how I expected it to work.

[Huppolitan]

Just to verify that I have this right:

For Pathfinder Society play, a caster with Augment Summoning who summons a Monitor Lizard with SM III gets a critter with 3d8+15 HP, ergo 3(4.5)+15, or 28.5, rounding down to 28 HP, correct?

Also, in Society play can monsters under the "alternatives" list on http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/summon-monster

be summoned? Some of these seem rather more powerful than those from the core rulebook.

Thanks!

[Ansel Krulwich]

The Additional Resources page describes what is and isn't legal in Pathfinder Society. Upon a quick glance, it appears that the customized summoning lists from the Adventure Paths are legal as long as you can show ownership of the book or PDF. Details are described at the top of the page.

Edit: I'm uncertain if you are subject to any of the additional requirements listed in the custom summoning lists such as being a follower of Urgathoa to summon a bloody human skeleton, for example. YMMV.

[Huppolitan]

Thanks, Ansel! I was actually kinda hoping for a ruling against the alternatives . . . a hell hound seems a lot more powerful than a Lemure or a wolf for SM II, for instance. I suppose the alternative list provides a boon for folks who have subscribed to all the Adventure Paths.

Did I get the HP calculation right for the lizard?

All the best!