OK, I was checking the buckler rules and they seemed to be a touch ambiguous.
From the PRD:
Benefit: You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. This penalty stacks with those that may apply for fighting with your off hand and for fighting with two weapons. In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand, you lose the buckler's Armor Class bonus until your next turn. You can cast a spell with somatic components using your shield arm, but you lose the buckler's Armor Class bonus until your next turn. You can't make a shield bash with a buckler.
Ok, so while it says if you use a weapon in your off (buckler) hand, you lose the AC bonus. However what about if you are using your off hand to help wield a two handed weapon? Say I'm an archer using a bow and a buckler, do I lose the AC bonus?
Yes. That's what "In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand" means. However your off hand is being used to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), you lose the benefits of the buckler and take a -1 on attack rolls while doing so.
Yes. That's what "In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand" means. However your off hand is being used to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), you lose the benefits of the buckler and take a -1 on attack rolls while doing so.
Ok, thanks for the clarification.
Yes. That's what "In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand" means. However your off hand is being used to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), you lose the benefits of the buckler and take a -1 on attack rolls while doing so.
...unless the two-handed weapon in question is a bow or crossbow, which are explicitly stated as being usable penalty-free. For what it's worth, I always read the part about losing the AC bonus as also not applying when using a two-handed bow or crossbow.
Yes. That's what "In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand" means. However your off hand is being used to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), you lose the benefits of the buckler and take a -1 on attack rolls while doing so....unless the two-handed weapon in question is a bow or crossbow, which are explicitly stated as being usable penalty-free. For what it's worth, I always read the part about losing the AC bonus as also not applying when using a two-handed bow or crossbow.
+1!!
If you'd like an extra bit of realism, allow players to treat the Buckler as a 1d3 light martial bludgeoning weapon if wielded (held) in the off-hand. If you attack with the Buckler you lose the AC bonus for that round.
Or something like that.
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If you'd like an extra bit of realism, allow players to treat the Buckler as a 1d3 light martial bludgeoning weapon if wielded (held) in the off-hand. If you attack with the Buckler you lose the AC bonus for that round.
Or something like that.
Lol, since I began studying historical European martial arts, my Pathfinder friends are completely sick of hearing me say "historically it would be..." for example, historically the buckler was used as much to push and strike as it was used to parry/ block. and it buckled onto your belt to carry, but NEVER onto your arm to use- it was held in the hand.
The D&D version is some fantasy imagining, it is nothing like a historical buckler in either description or use.