Do bards gain the bonus spells when Taking Dragon Disciple?


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Playing in home brew and getting ready to start my dip into Dragon Disciple 8 and was wondering if I would get access to the bonus spells listed under the draconic bloodline that you acquire when taking the first level of DD since your DD levels count as sorcerer levels to determine what powers you have access to. Any suggestions would be helpful.


Very very strictly RAW no, RAI i think yes.


Duck wrote:
Playing in home brew and getting ready to start my dip into Dragon Disciple 8 and was wondering if I would get access to the bonus spells listed under the draconic bloodline that you acquire when taking the first level of DD since your DD levels count as sorcerer levels to determine what powers you have access to. Any suggestions would be helpful.

You pretty much answered that yourself. You're a bard, not a sorcerer. Your sorcerer spell list can't get any bonus spells because you don't have a sorcerer spell list.

So no bonus spells, sorry.


By RAW (and RAI) no, I would allow you to use the DD levels as sorceror levels to determine when /if you get bonus spells, provided you can cast the appropriate level spells in a homebrew, the spell level increases do less for a bard already so this seems fair enough to me, at best it gets you a bonus 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th level spell known from a predetermined list.


Duck wrote:
Playing in home brew and getting ready to start my dip into Dragon Disciple 8 and was wondering if I would get access to the bonus spells listed under the draconic bloodline that you acquire when taking the first level of DD since your DD levels count as sorcerer levels to determine what powers you have access to. Any suggestions would be helpful.

Yes.


wesF wrote:
Duck wrote:
Playing in home brew and getting ready to start my dip into Dragon Disciple 8 and was wondering if I would get access to the bonus spells listed under the draconic bloodline that you acquire when taking the first level of DD since your DD levels count as sorcerer levels to determine what powers you have access to. Any suggestions would be helpful.
Yes.

Well, perhaps not technically. I would allow it in a homebrew. It adds flavor.


Thank you for the suggestions, I was pretty sure I don't get the spells, one less thing to worry about. I pretty much regulated to healer role atm anyway no one wants to play a dedicated healer so I'm running all around the battle field burning charges on wands atm anyway but thank you.

Scarab Sages

Dragon Disciple wrote:
Blood of Dragons: A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline. If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained. He must choose a dragon type upon gaining his first level in this class and that type must be the same as his sorcerer type. This ability does not grant bonus spells to a sorcerer unless he possesses spell slots of an appropriate level. Such bonus spells are automatically granted if the sorcerer gains spell slots of the spell's level.
Sorcerers wrote:

Draconic

At some point in your family's history, a dragon interbred with your bloodline, and now its ancient power flows through your veins.

Class Skill: Perception.

Bonus Spells: mage armor (3rd), resist energy (5th), fly (7th), fear (9th), spell resistance (11th), form of the dragon I (13th), form of the dragon II (15th), form of the dragon III (17th), wish (19th).

Bonus Feats: Blind-Fight, Great Fortitude, Improved Initiative, Power Attack, Quicken Spell, Skill Focus (Fly), Skill Focus (Knowledge [arcana]), Toughness.

Bloodline Arcana: Whenever you cast a spell with an energy descriptor that matches your draconic bloodline's energy type, that spell deals +1 point of damage per die rolled.

Bloodline Powers: The power of dragons flows through you and manifests in a number of ways. At 1st level, you must select one of the chromatic or metallic dragon types. This choice cannot be changed. A number of your abilities grant resistances and deal damage based on your dragon type, as noted on the following table.

In short, a bard would get the bloodline powers as outlined in the Draconic Sorcerer section. Bonus Spells are not a part of Bloodline Powers.

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