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Scarab Sages

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CrystalSeas wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
....but isn't family supposed to forgive?

Who told you that? And why do you believe it?

In my universe that's not a true statement.

In my universe as well.

Grand Lodge

Sharoth wrote:
Hey there TOZ. I hope that you are doing well. Tell the wife that I said hello. I hope that you both have a good week.

We are pretty stable. Today was a good Labor Day of friends and anime and games.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Sharoth wrote:
Hey there TOZ. I hope that you are doing well. Tell the wife that I said hello. I hope that you both have a good week.
We are pretty stable. Today was a good Labor Day of friends and anime and games.

Glad to hear that.


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What really enrages me about my local school district is that they're supposedly in the top 10% in the state, yet their sheer incompetence in dealing with online learning shows such a deep lack of management skills that I wonder how they possibly have jobs, much less managerial ones.

Last semester we had the infamous, "I'm going to give all the kids all the homework for the entire semester and then sequester myself in a cabin in the woods," teacher, who never faced any disciplinary action for vanishing for two months during a school year.

This week started off with a holiday. Typically that means that the schedule gets reshuffled. I dutifully checked all the announcements and read all the emails. Nothing.

This morning I got frustrated and checked the web site. And there was the notice of the schedule change.

Rule of Work #1: If you change something, you must actively notify people affected by the change. "Well, I changed the web site and I expect you to check it every day" is never OK.

Grr...


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Woran wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
....but isn't family supposed to forgive?

Who told you that? And why do you believe it?

In my universe that's not a true statement.

In my universe as well.

Even in ones where it's sort of a thing, that forgiveness is usually contingent on the offending party doing what the offended party wants.

And if the reasons the offended party is offended are bad, then maybe earning that forgiveness isn't worth it.

In your case you have every reason to be offended, and they've done nothing to actively fix that offense, so I'd say even at the most generous they've not reached the point of being ready to be forgiven yet. They've still got to show that they've actually changed. Which they very much have not.

Forgive when the situation is mended, not a second befoee. And contrary to popular phrasing, never forget. Forgetting is the fast track to getting abused once again.


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Woran wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
....but isn't family supposed to forgive?

Who told you that? And why do you believe it?

In my universe that's not a true statement.

In my universe as well.

@ Vagrantius Maximus: you already know you're right. I won't badger that point. Also several have now commented that family doesn't always forgive; that's up to them and you to decide.

The only thing I think that's left to be said is that some families, some humans love unconditionally, but most in my anecdotal experience love with strings attached.

Like, ever asked someone why they love you and they say: you make me laugh; you're so good to me; you just get me, and so on? That's conditional love. That person loves you for what you can do for them, not for who you are.

So when you don't meet their conditions, what do these people do? They either manipulate you back into serving their wants or they dump you. Period. Because that's how a lot of folks are.

It doesn't matter if you're family.

Look at your child and wonder; if they become spiteful and cruel towards you in their teenage years or as an adult, would you stop caring for them? If the answer is no then congratulations; you love them unconditionally.

personal screed:
One of the roots of my rants on this thread about my ex is that she practices conditional love. When my girls make decisions that go against what SHE wants for them, or how SHE thinks our kids should behave, she makes them feel terrible and manipulates them into doing the "right" thing. She shows them support and affection then, but the moment they backslide she withdraws that positive support.

This seems antithetical to love and parenting to me. In my mind, when your kids are making bad choices that's when they need your love and support the most. That's not the time to manipulate then through guilt and shame.

If your kid's about to run into traffic you don't shout at them that they're disappointing you and turn your back on them; you race over, grab them or throw yourself in the way of the threat.

Erudite, if YOU choose to forgive, you're a good person, but you can't expect the same of others. You can choose to love unconditionally but again, you can't count on other people to pay you the same respect. I hope that reality doesn't make you close off to others though.

The world needs more folks who genuinely feel bad when they make tough but good decisions. I'm sorry you're going through this and you should be praised and appreciated for your guilt. That means you care, you're thinking of others. Would that more people had the same mindset.


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I was doing the laundry when it occurred to me I was supposed to add pants to the rest of washed things... When the laundry was nearing finish. Good job, Drejk.


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Freehold DM wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
....but isn't family supposed to forgive?

Who told you that? And why do you believe it?

In my universe that's not a true statement.

Damn. I'm sorry.

I've been trying to figure out how to respond to this, Freehold. I think it has to do with the different uses of the word "family".

Philosophy:
For me, shared DNA does not automatically mean shared emotional connections. There is no right to a relationship with someone because you share DNA with them. Some people you share DNA with may not be capable of healthy emotional connections.

So, 'forgiveness' is a relationship concept that has to do with desire on both sides to continuing a social/emotional relationship. But is not based on shared DNA, only on healthy(ish) emotional ties. Being stuck in a hurt/forgiveness relationship sometimes unnecessarily prolongs emotional entanglements that need to be let go because they are unhealthy.

The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference. Both love and hate are intense emotional connections with another person. If you step away from that connection for your own mental health and safety, then there's nothing to be sorry for.

Being related via DNA to someone who isn't capable of emotionally healthy connections is no different that being related to someone with Down syndrome. There's nothing to be sorry for, it's just how they are.

So many people buy into a fairy-tale*, and then struggle because their reality doesn't match it. When I ask "Who told you that?" and "Why do you believe it?", I'm asking people to examine where their "rules" come from and whether they have willingly and consciously adopted them as useful in living out their own story.

If that heuristic is simply something someone else has imposed on you, but it's making your life worse, not better, then it's time to examine assumptions and outcomes and adjust them as necessary to fit your own reality.

*I'll fund my retirement by winning the lottery; a knight will rescue me and remove me from this environment; mothers always love their children unconditionally; there is some action I can take/something I can do that will win my parents' love


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Thank you again for words of affirmation, especially those who directly addressed me. You really have helped.


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Drejk wrote:
I was doing the laundry when it occurred to me I was supposed to add pants to the rest of washed things... When the laundry was nearing finish. Good job, Drejk.

I shouldn't make light of your forgetfulness, but for some reason this made me think of a Mr. Bean-but-he's-a-red dragon skit.


Hello, everyone.


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Cat watching a horror movie. Poor little kitty.


I got Dead Reign, The Zombie Apocalypse.

Looks pretty fun, which is a given with Palladium Books. Whether or not it's playable is another matter entirely.


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I also got Nightbane and I decided I'm going to have the Nightlands resemble the Upside Down.

I'm still working on the details in my head and I should watch the whole Stranger Things series again.


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I'm also going to frame Rifts as more like Fallout but that's obvious.


That's what you call a misdirection.

Or perhaps I should try baiting.

Batman would be a Paladin!


captain yesterday wrote:
I'm also going to frame Rifts as more like Fallout but that's obvious.

I do think that would breathe much needed life into the setting. Post apocalyptic nazi Germany got old quick, even when they tried to get away from it in other works.


Fritzy, Flaming Bike Artillery wrote:

That's what you call a misdirection.

Or perhaps I should try baiting.

Batman would be a Paladin!

There you are!

Get to blowing things up! This thread has been naughty and needs to be punished! And not in the fun way.

Scarab Sages

Jake has been put to rest. His mind had started to go and these last few days he had been going downhill rapidly to the point he didnt really recognise where he was anymore with the added burden of therefor not recognising the waterbottle and most of his food.

Reast in peace in the big soft rat heaven where you can have pasta and sweet corn every day.


Appropriately socially distanced internet hugs from someone who only knows you virtually.

It is so hard to lose fur family members.


Woran wrote:

Jake has been put to rest. His mind had started to go and these last few days he had been going downhill rapidly to the point he didnt really recognise where he was anymore with the added burden of therefor not recognising the waterbottle and most of his food.

Reast in peace in the big soft rat heaven where you can have pasta and sweet corn every day.

Poor guy! R.I.P. Little Jake!


There is an interesting take on batman in the age of super equipped police departments. It gets political, but if they insist on rebooting that franchise every 3-8 years, it might be worth seeing instead of rehashing the same boring origin story.


captain yesterday wrote:

I got Dead Reign, The Zombie Apocalypse.

Looks pretty fun, which is a given with Palladium Books. Whether or not it's playable is another matter entirely.

each character starts off with a bike, how unplayable could it be?


Woran wrote:

Jake has been put to rest. His mind had started to go and these last few days he had been going downhill rapidly to the point he didnt really recognise where he was anymore with the added burden of therefor not recognising the waterbottle and most of his food.

Reast in peace in the big soft rat heaven where you can have pasta and sweet corn every day.

May he rest peacefully.


*more hugs*

Silver Crusade

I’m so sorry for your loss, Woran.

Silver Crusade

Freehold DM wrote:
Fritzy, Flaming Bike Artillery wrote:

That's what you call a misdirection.

Or perhaps I should try baiting.

Batman would be a Paladin!

There you are!

Get to blowing things up! This thread has been naughty and needs to be punished! And not in the fun way.

The “fun way” is still on the table, though, right?


I'm so sorry, Woran. Big hugs.


Freehold DM wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

I got Dead Reign, The Zombie Apocalypse.

Looks pretty fun, which is a given with Palladium Books. Whether or not it's playable is another matter entirely.

each character starts off with a bike, how unplayable could it be?

It's a Palladium Books RPG so how playable it is is entirely dependent on who you're playing with.


Celestial Healer wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Fritzy, Flaming Bike Artillery wrote:

That's what you call a misdirection.

Or perhaps I should try baiting.

Batman would be a Paladin!

There you are!

Get to blowing things up! This thread has been naughty and needs to be punished! And not in the fun way.

The “fun way” is still on the table, though, right?

You want the "fun" way huh, I'll get Hilda!!


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Even though we haven't seen Lynora in ages, I'm still spoilering because talk of pain and injury:
It's weird how not only does your pain threshold change over the years, but how your family members' thresholds have nothing whatsoever to do with your own.

Impus Minor got one of those really nasty cuts on the side of his finger right next to his fingernail. I know they're quite painful, but I consider them mildly inconvenient, at worst. GothBard? My favorite-ever example of her pain tolerance was when she was in labor with Impus Major and the nurse said, "Oh, no; if you were that far along you'd be in too much pain to be talking this calmly to us... OH MY GOSH!!!!"

But Impus Minor was in so much "personal" pain that he dropped out of class because he felt he wouldn't be able to participate. He's in his room "recovering" from the incident.

And it's totally rational, and totally reasonable, and each person has their own pain point, but it's just kind of weird having two parents with really massive pain thresholds and a teenager with a relatively light one.

More interesting food for thought than anything else...


Sorry about the loss of your pet, Woran.


Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

So sorry, Woran. Every time I lose a pet, it rips me up a little.

*Hugs*


NobodysHome wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

You sure your family names isn't Addams?

At least before you changed it to (Dr) Evil?


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Woran wrote:

Jake has been put to rest. His mind had started to go and these last few days he had been going downhill rapidly to the point he didnt really recognise where he was anymore with the added burden of therefor not recognising the waterbottle and most of his food.

Reast in peace in the big soft rat heaven where you can have pasta and sweet corn every day.

SQUEAK SQUEAKY SQUEAKUM*.

* "I'll personally make sure the bowl is always full."

My condolences to your loss. I hope his passing was as painless as possible, for both of you, and that a little Pratchett-brand levity brings a smile to your face.


Last Night's Carrion Crown Book 4 session in a nutshell.


Just got a text from my mom that she, my sister, and my niece have had to evacuate their house because of the wildfires and are driving up to central Oregon to a hotel for the night. Hopefully they can go home in a day or two.


Woran wrote:

Jake has been put to rest. His mind had started to go and these last few days he had been going downhill rapidly to the point he didnt really recognise where he was anymore with the added burden of therefor not recognising the waterbottle and most of his food.

Reast in peace in the big soft rat heaven where you can have pasta and sweet corn every day.

You will be missed Jake.


Has anyone heard from lynora lately? How is she doing?


About to go home. Good night, everyone.


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Batman is a bit to on the nose for current political system. billionaire playboy punishing the poor with violence. Their are some bad people in the world (a good portion get into politics apparently) but a lot of people are bad because of circumstances. The trend of a more and more violent batman should be fused with a batman that works with poor communities if he wants to remain the good guy in the future. Beating up his rogue gallery is one thing they are violent and dangerous and more of them aren't as mentally unstable to justify their crimes (although some are and could probably just use some meds and intense therapy.) Honestly though anyone that is robbing someone in Gotham at gunpoint at night is a complete idiot anyways. Maybe not as dumb as someone doing it in metropolis but still. Best thing you can do in Gotham (for a life of crime) is be the little guy criminal who quick changes big box stores etc.

Superman at least usually only get involved if their is some risk to human life. Rob a bank may not get his attention until you start firing randomly or your get a way car starts causing accidents.

Yes crime is wrong but when you as a billionaire and have non-violent solutions to crimes and instead decide to bludgeon people with your bare hands they have some right to feel a certain way about it.

You wanted to get get Bat political! well you got it!

*hides from flaming bikes!*


Minik and the meteor.


Sorry about your lil buddy, Woran. That doth verily sucketh.


Most people consider DOOM a villain but DOOM's people don't go hungry and are highly educated... as well as unfailingly loyal.

(The problem with doom is his ego gets in his way all that required worship and adoration really take away from him but if doom could get past that he would be a great ruler which falls into a theory that the ideal political system to rule would be a omniscient benevolent king.)

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