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You should play Starfinder, they fixed that.
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You should play Starfinder, they fixed that.
I cannot explain why, but I despise sci-fi RPGs.
I can't justify my distaste, I can just admit I have it and move on.
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when a large fire breathing dragon is standing over you, you tell it how awe-inspiring its drakehood is, yes.That's not the only thing I see when I look up.So you're saying you look up to Drejk.
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Did the author explicitly stated that the wraith in question ignores the miss chance? They might simply assumed that the risk of 50% chance with one re-roll (wraiths have Blind-Fight featnorally) is worth the protection offered by the wall.
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I was kind of interested in the whole monk ascetic Tahani - it felt good for her character, but it obviously didn't work. Still, I just don't feel her in any real romances. They all feel superficial.I'm willing to compromise. I'll give up on Tahani + Eleanor if I can have Tahani + Sue Perkins instead.Jameela Jamil AND Sue Perkins? Now I'M in my Good Place.
For those unfamiliar with Sue, if you want to see Sue Perkins outside of the first 5 or so seasons of Bakeoff, look up a series called Supersizers Go. She and a food critic named Giles Coren* live how middle-upper class folk in various points of history live to see how the food/lifestyle affects their health. It is both informative and HI-F*$#IN-LARIOUS.
That combination annoyed me, somehow. Although they seemed to have alot of fun together, iirc they seemed to be talking down to the viewers or it felt slightly pretentious.
I do love Sue Perkins and Lite Lunch, one of her first shows with the lovely Mel G. was a staple of my student days TV schedule.
*EDIT: He is the son of the great Alan Coren & brother to Victoria Coren (poker player, presenter, comedian, wit and married to David Mitchell)
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Lawful = The law of the land says they're in the right, so I shouldn't fight them.
I'm not conflating the two concepts; I'm just pointing out that they both lead to the same, "We shouldn't fight if we can avoid it," conclusion.
Beating government employees up, looting them, and leaving them in their skivvies back in their home office is neither good nor lawful, though it frequently feels as if it should be.
From what you described these are bounty hunters, not police officers. Someone is operating extralegally here, I'm not sure who, though.
They are defeated and trussed securely, not bleeding out.
If the alternative is to let them beat you up for extralegal ends, that is not lawful or good, but stupid. Which is often what lawful and good ends up being.
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this sounds like a genuine error on the part of the author. Have you informed paizo?
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Tacticslion: Hope you and yours stay safe with Hurricane Dorian projected to be headed your way.
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Tacticslion: Hope you and yours stay safe with Hurricane Dorian projected to be headed your way.
what about you, lady slaad? Are you going to be okay?
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Tala noticed some blood. We freak. We go to hospital. Tests are run.
All is healthy with the baby.
As I am returning from the restroom doctor is saying she has a UTI and needs to refrain from sex for a while, as it was likely caused by repeated orgasms.
I AM MEDICALLY PROVEN TO BE THE F@$*ING MAN!
I have yet to see a Scooby Do iteration I liked. Every episode was regurgitated hot garbage IMO.
Gee, is it a greedy ass in a mask? Turns out it was.
Heh.
Oh, Eleanor in the sim with Simone was hilarious.
EDIT: forgot to mention the thing I had come here to actually mention
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Tacticslion: Hope you and yours stay safe with Hurricane Dorian projected to be headed your way.
what about you, lady slaad? Are you going to be okay?
Yeah, we're doing good! Freehold ninja'd my own question! Be safe!
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I get really frustrated as a GM when "this thing does not work the way you say it should" is pushed through in an adventure, especially if the wrong interpretation of the rules seems required to make the event happen the way it should.
But that said, as frustrating as it may be, usually stuff like that I believe is usually an honest oversight rather than an intentional attempt to bend the rules to make an encounter work differently than it should. After all, even if the writer of the adventure wanted the rules bent, most GMs will end up having to change things or risk player revolt. Often I think such mistakes happen when an element is changed in the adventure but everything isn't updated (e.g., maybe it was originally a different monster or different walls, etc.).
For whatever it's worth, as an occasional freelance editor for Paizo, when I spot rules discrepancies like that, I flag it to be sure the devs take a look. If it is an actual rules problem more often than not they will change it. Unfortunately it sounds like in that case the issue wasn't picked up on. Which is very frustrating, most definitely. I wonder if the AP's forum has suggested alternatives or workarounds?
On my last question to the forum, I was told, "Be a DM, <make a decision>, and move on."
The Strange Aeons forum is the single-most-hostile AP forum I've been on. I've minimized it so I don't have to deal with it, much like the Rules and Advice forums.
interesting.
Something seems to have gone wrong here.
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Watching the Good Place, I might think that Janet is an archeologist bard.
I mean, super-lore knowing everything, the ability to become a bigtime combat mastery dude, and lots of possible spells.
1 (6): abundant ammunition, abstemiousness, adjuring step, alarm, alter musical instruments, animate rope, anticipate peril, auditory hallucination, beguiling gift, blurred movement, borrow skill, call weapon, cause fear, chord of shards, clarion call, compel hostility, comprehend languages, dancing darkness, dancing lantern, darting duplicate, dazzling blade, deadeye’s lore, desperate weapon, detect charm, detect metal, detect secret doors, discern next of kin, disguise weapon, disguise self, ear-piercing scream, echo, enhance water, erase, expeditious retreat, fabricate disguise, feather step, flare burst, forced quiet, glue seal, grease, haze of dreams, heightened awareness, hidden diplomacy, hideous laughter, horn of pursuit, identify, invigorate, know peerage, lighten object, linked legacy, lock gaze, memorize page, magic mouth, memory lapse, obscure object, open and shut, play instrument, read weather, recharge innate magic, saving finale, see alignment, shadow trap, share language, silent image, songbird, tears to wine, technomancy, toilsome chant, transfer tattoo, twisted futures, unbreakable heart, undetectable alignment, unseen servant, vanish, ventriloquism, vocal alteration, weaponwand, wizened appearance, youthful appearance, summon tiny monster, summon monster 1
2 (6): acute senses, air step, alter self, alter summoned monster, ancestral communion, animal messenger, animal purpose training, anti-summoning field, arcane disruption, aristocrat’s nightmare, bestow insight, bladed dash, blistering invective, blood biography, boiling blood, book ward, blur, cacophonous call, codespeak, commune with birds, create treasure map, darkness, dark whispers, daze monster, detect snares, [greater] detect magic, detect thoughts, determine depths, diminish resistance, discovery torch, disguise other, disrupt silence, distracting cacophony, distressing tone, dream shield, dust of twilight, enshroud thoughts, enter image, escaping ward, flickering lights, focused scrutiny, full pouch, gallant inspiration, ghostbane dirge, ghostly disguise, glitterdust, haunting mists, heightened reflexes, heroic fortune, hidden blades, hidden presence, hidden speech, honeyed tongue, human potential, ignoble form, instant weapon, investigative mind, invisible, lay of the land, locate object, masterwork transformation, minor image, mirror image, muffle sound, path of glory, perfect placement, piercing shriek, pilfering hand, pugwampi’s grace, pyrotechnics, qualm, quick change, resounding clang, retrieve item, returning weapon, shadow anchor, [communal] share language, share memory, shatter, shifted steps, silence, silent table, silk to steel, snapdragon fireworks, sonic scream, sound burst, spell gauge, steal voice, summon swarm, tactical acumen, tattoo potion, telepathic censure, thunder fire, tongues, track ship, trail of the rose, umbral weapon, urban step, versatile weapon, voluminous vocabulary, wartrain mount, whip of spiders, whispering wind; summon 2
3 (6): adjustable disguise, akashic communion, arcane concordance, blink, clairaudience/clairvoyance, conjure carriage, daylight, deft digits, detect anxieties, discern value, dispel magic, displacement, draconic malice, elemental speech, fear, fearsome duplicate, find fault, flexile curse, gaseous form, harrowing, haste, illusory script, infuse self, instant fake, [mass] invigorate, isolate, jester’s jaunt, liquefy, mad monkeys, [greater] magic aura, major image, meticulous match, mirage, motes of dusk and dawn, mydriatic spontaneity, phantom driver, phantom steed, rags to riches, rain of frogs, raven’s flight, reviving finale, scrying, sculpt sound, secret page, see invisibility, seek thoughts, selective alarm, sepia snake sigil, slow, speak with animals, spotlight, thunderous drums, tiny hut, vision of hell, wall of nausea, wall of illumination, witness; summon 3
4 (6): adjustable polymorph, ancestral gift, animal ambassador, bountiful feast, break enchantment, conversing wind, create armaments, dance of the hundred cuts, detect scrying, dimension door, discordant blast, echolocation, [lesser] entice fey, foretell failure, [mass] ghostbane dirge, ghost brand, flash forward, freedom of movement, hallucinatory terrain, horrific doubles, insect scouts, [greater] invisibility, legend lore, locate creature, majestic image, phantasmal reminder, rainbow pattern, red hand of the killer, secure shelter, shadow conjuration, shadow step, shield of dawn, shocking image, shout, sonic thrust, speak with plants, unseen crew, vicarious view, wandering star motes; summon 4
5 (5): archon’s trumpet, bard’s escape, [greater] bladed dash, deafening song bolt, [greater] dispel magic, locate gate, mirage arcana, music of the spheres, sabotage construct, scripted hallucination, seeming, shadow evocation, shadow walk, soulswitch; summon 5
6 (5): analyze dweomer, animate objects, entice fey, fey gate, getaway, impenetrable veil, overwhelming presence, project image, [greater] scrying, [greater] shout, subjective reality, veil; summon 6
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Tacticslion: Hope you and yours stay safe with Hurricane Dorian projected to be headed your way.what about you, lady slaad? Are you going to be okay?
I'm exhausted, my back and shoulders hurt, and I'm more short-tempered than usual... but none of that has anything to do with the hurricane.
Edit: My mood has improved somewhat. I made potato salad (these Celebration Blend potatoes were on sale) for the first time; it's still chilling for dinner tonight, but it turned out really well. Maybe better than mom's.
Yeah, we're doing good! Freehold ninja'd my own question! Be safe!
Unless we take a glancing or direct hit, we should be ok here. We're about 140 miles south of Tampa as the crow flies. When it exits the western coast of the state, we'll probably get some erosion and storm surge along the coast and barrier islands. We've gotten a lot of rain in the past couple weeks, so we'll probably get some flooding even away from the coast in the areas with poor drainage/waterflow, alot of it due to the Army Corp of Engineers and land developers mucking up the natural waterflow during the housing boom in the 40s/50s.
American/NOAA models are predicting a central/northern Florida path. The European models are predicting a more southerly course. It's still too soon to know where it's going, although they seem to agree it'll be Cat 4 when it hits.
Wherever it goes, a bunch of people are going to get pounded. The bright spot is Puerto Rico got spared from it.
We move into the new house on the 1st. Utilities transfer should be completely seemless. The hardest part is moving all our heavy stuff.
Awesome! Hoping everything goes well!
Oh, Jessica Jones Season 3. You so cray-cray.
(Finished catching up with The Good Place, headed on to catching up to JJs3.)
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I get really frustrated as a GM when "this thing does not work the way you say it should" is pushed through in an adventure, especially if the wrong interpretation of the rules seems required to make the event happen the way it should.
But that said, as frustrating as it may be, usually stuff like that I believe is usually an honest oversight rather than an intentional attempt to bend the rules to make an encounter work differently than it should. After all, even if the writer of the adventure wanted the rules bent, most GMs will end up having to change things or risk player revolt. Often I think such mistakes happen when an element is changed in the adventure but everything isn't updated (e.g., maybe it was originally a different monster or different walls, etc.).
For whatever it's worth, as an occasional freelance editor for Paizo, when I spot rules discrepancies like that, I flag it to be sure the devs take a look. If it is an actual rules problem more often than not they will change it. Unfortunately it sounds like in that case the issue wasn't picked up on. Which is very frustrating, most definitely. I wonder if the AP's forum has suggested alternatives or workarounds?
On my last question to the forum, I was told, "Be a DM, <make a decision>, and move on."
The Strange Aeons forum is the single-most-hostile AP forum I've been on. I've minimized it so I don't have to deal with it, much like the Rules and Advice forums.
Weird. I don't have the AP and haven't gone in the forum; I asked simply because I've had help on trouble spots in other modules and APs in the forums that way (I even got corrected stats for a goofed up monster once). I'm sorry that happened to you, that really sucks.
I'm putting in all the workarounds I need; I have many years of homebrew behind me. But if I have to rewrite sections of the AP because they punish good roleplayers, change monsters around because the as-written ones will just upset and frustrate me and my players, and have to learn alternative rulesets because the AP authors didn't like the delivered ones, then... er... why am I paying for an AP instead of just writing my own?
I absolutely HATE it when an adventure creates more work for me than less. And I firmly believe adventures should exist to save GMs work, not create it. Anyone that fails to do so is a failure of an adventure IMO. (Don't get me started on chapter 3 of the module Plunder and Peril. Which is frustrating because the IDEA of what they were trying to do with that module was a really good one, but the specific adventure had a lot of flaws that affected its popularity/sales, so they never tried the concept again) I am right on board with you. My only concern is the implication that the designers are doing it on purpose to "change" the rules and/or be frustrating. Normally it involves oversights, often by writers who are focused on the story they want to tell rather than the mechanics (particularly an issue when an adventure designer is more of a fiction writer than a GM), and I am saying that because I know for a fact that when such issues are pointed out during development/production, they are usually resolved. The problem is when they don't get caught. It sounds like there wasn't enough senior dev oversight on the AP--and I wonder if it was being worked on at the time that Paizo had a lot of staff turnover going on. And again, that really, really sucks. And if my clarifying any of this is just making you feel like I'm discounting your entirely justified frustration, then I apologize; please just ignore me.
Again sorry for your frustration, and I hope if you keep running that AP subsequent chapters are better.
That combination annoyed me, somehow. Although they seemed to have alot of fun together, iirc they seemed to be talking down to the viewers or it felt slightly pretentious.
For those unfamiliar with Sue, if you want to see Sue Perkins outside of the first 5 or so seasons of Bakeoff, look up a series called Supersizers Go. She and a food critic named Giles Coren* live how middle-upper class folk in various points of history live to see how the food/lifestyle affects their health. It is both informative and HI-F*$#IN-LARIOUS.
Huh. I interpreted any pretentiousness on the show as entirely tongue-in-cheek. Never felt talked down to, personally. But then, I am a giant food history nerd, so basically a food history show that features comedic antics by Sue Perkins is more or less "here's a show we made just for DeathQuaker" so I am likely to forgive its flaws.
I do love Sue Perkins and Lite Lunch, one of her first shows with the lovely Mel G. was a staple of my student days TV schedule.
Never saw that, unfortunately. Don't get a lot of those kind of things transported over to the U.S. (It's hard enough to find Supersizers, but it at least WAS on Hulu if not still is.) I know she and Mel Giedroyc go way back as professional partners, which is evident in the comedic chemistry they have as presenters on Bake Off.(Noel and Sandi, though obviously lovely people, don't click in the same way.)
Sue's short lived sitcom Heading Out was entertaining, although there was a lot of cringe humor I struggled to get through (though that type of humor is common on Britcoms).
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Be safe Floridians. Use this as an excuse to follow my lead and escape the False Paradise.
Seriously, though, be safe.
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You should play Starfinder, they fixed that.I cannot explain why, but I despise sci-fi RPGs.
I can't justify my distaste, I can just admit I have it and move on.
I'm similar, but not quite to the level of "despise" - more like "am extremely wary of, due to horrible experiences with multiple"
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I get really frustrated as a GM when "this thing does not work the way you say it should" is pushed through in an adventure, especially if the wrong interpretation of the rules seems required to make the event happen the way it should.
But that said, as frustrating as it may be, usually stuff like that I believe is usually an honest oversight rather than an intentional attempt to bend the rules to make an encounter work differently than it should. After all, even if the writer of the adventure wanted the rules bent, most GMs will end up having to change things or risk player revolt. Often I think such mistakes happen when an element is changed in the adventure but everything isn't updated (e.g., maybe it was originally a different monster or different walls, etc.).
For whatever it's worth, as an occasional freelance editor for Paizo, when I spot rules discrepancies like that, I flag it to be sure the devs take a look. If it is an actual rules problem more often than not they will change it. Unfortunately it sounds like in that case the issue wasn't picked up on. Which is very frustrating, most definitely. I wonder if the AP's forum has suggested alternatives or workarounds?
On my last question to the forum, I was told, "Be a DM, <make a decision>, and move on."
The Strange Aeons forum is the single-most-hostile AP forum I've been on. I've minimized it so I don't have to deal with it, much like the Rules and Advice forums.Weird. I don't have the AP and haven't gone in the forum; I asked simply because I've had help on trouble spots in other modules and APs in the forums that way (I even got corrected stats for a goofed up monster once). I'm sorry that happened to you, that really sucks.
I'm putting in all the workarounds I need; I have many years of homebrew behind me. But if I have to rewrite sections of the AP because they punish good roleplayers, change monsters around because the as-written ones will just upset and...
I just assume the players are going to do their own thing and I will attempt to weave elements of their behavior into the adventure as it goes forward. As DM I am the area where the players and the adventure path meet, I must be ready to bend one towards the other.
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*sgh*
my keyboard seems to be failing...
It seems to be random. At times some keys - primarily 'i', 'space', and now 'm' weren't responding, though now they appear to work...
Weird.
Maybe it is a driver issue? But would it then appear for some keys but not others?
*sgh*
my keyboard seems to be failing...
It seems to be random. At times some keys - primarily 'i', 'space', and now 'm' weren't responding, though now they appear to work...
Weird.
Maybe it is a driver issue? But would it then appear for some keys but not others?
I'unno, but one of the most famous movie makers in the world today (seems to have) come from Poland!
... maybe!
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*sgh*
my keyboard seems to be failing...
It seems to be random. At times some keys - primarily 'i', 'space', and now 'm' weren't responding, though now they appear to work...
Weird.
Maybe it is a driver issue? But would it then appear for some keys but not others?
They wear out over time, but you can try it in a different USB port to be sure it's not a port problem.
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They wear out over time, but you can try it in a different USB port to be sure it's not a port problem.*sgh*
my keyboard seems to be failing...
It seems to be random. At times some keys - primarily 'i', 'space', and now 'm' weren't responding, though now they appear to work...
Weird.
Maybe it is a driver issue? But would it then appear for some keys but not others?
USB?! :P
Contrary to NobodysHome conviction about widespread docking stations and external keyboards, not all laptop users use external keyboards. It could be the tape connecting the keyboard to motherboard that is failing...
Interestingly the issue does not seem to reappear for now... Could it be some sort of interference from LotRO with the keyoboard? We'll see.
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I'unno, but one of the most famous movie makers in the world today (seems to have) come from Poland!
... maybe!
I can't understand what would be Wiseau's purported Polish surname.
*google*
Wieczór? That nowhere near what the presenter said... It doesn't really sound like Wiseau either (Viechoor, with 'e' like in 'egg').
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They wear out over time, but you can try it in a different USB port to be sure it's not a port problem.*sgh*
my keyboard seems to be failing...
It seems to be random. At times some keys - primarily 'i', 'space', and now 'm' weren't responding, though now they appear to work...
Weird.
Maybe it is a driver issue? But would it then appear for some keys but not others?
USB?! :P
Contrary to NobodysHome conviction about widespread docking stations and external keyboards, not all laptop users use external keyboards. It could be the tape connecting the keyboard to motherboard that is failing...
Interestingly the issue does not seem to reappear for now... Could it be some sort of interference from LotRO with the keyoboard? We'll see.
You didn't say it was a laptop!
Maybe it needs a good dusting.
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It could be that some dust got under those specific keys and repeated pressing caused to move the dust out of the way - that would explain why the keys that misbehaved work now.
Oh, Jessica Jones Season 3. You so cray-cray.
(Finished catching up with The Good Place, headed on to catching up to JJs3.)
Just finished ep. 5 (boy is my living room and kitchen relatively clean), and am absolutely sure noooooo-huhuhu-thing can go wrong with that development. Everything is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.
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Oh, Jessica Jones Season 3. You so cray-cray.
(Finished catching up with The Good Place, headed on to catching up to JJs3.)
Just finished ep. 5 (boy is my living room and kitchen relatively clean), and am absolutely sure noooooo-huhuhu-thing can go wrong with that development. Everything is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.
It gets worse before it gets better, but stick with it. IIRC the next several episodes are frustrating. But personally I liked how everything ultimately ended, but it's a brutal ride. (This is better than season 2, where it was a brutal ride and then I hated the ending.)
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Edit: My mood has improved somewhat. I made potato salad (these Celebration Blend potatoes were on sale) for the first time; it's still chilling for dinner tonight, but it turned out really well. Maybe better than mom's.
AH HA HA HA HA HA HA!
I know when I've prepared something particularly well when instead of any praise ("That was good." or "Thank you.") I only get little passive-aggressive snipes about minor stuff, like "Well, I normally use more pickles." Meanwhile, dad is going back for a second large-ish helping.
Ha. I really do try not to treat cooking as a battle for supremacy, and I'm happy to just keep everyone fed decent hot meals. But dang it, Mom, if you're gonna feel threatened about something so minor as simple potato salad, then yes, I will let myself quietly enjoy the occasional victories in our "competition" that I got drafted into.
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I just watched I Am Mother.
Aliens has a rival for mothering instinct competition movies.
All mothers in this thread, hell, all moms reading these words right now, know that I have a healthy fear of you.
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Just finished my loot spreadsheet for the next section of Strange Aeons:
Total wealth assuming the PCs loot and sell everything: 143,112.5 gp
Total wealth if the PCs don't steal from their employer: 20,820 gp
I now await Freehold's argument as to why it's perfectly OK for good-aligned PCs to steal from their good-aligned employers.
(Not really. It's tongue-in-cheek. But *SIGH*. The "random NPC walks up and hands you unfathomable amounts of cash" trope is quickly catching up to the, "In this AP, a banshee pops out of nowhere with no foreshadowing and screams at the party" trope. (At least 3 APs have banshees that do that, and 2 of them have no warning at all.)
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Just finished my loot spreadsheet for the next section of Strange Aeons:
Total wealth assuming the PCs loot and sell everything: 143,112.5 gp
Total wealth if the PCs don't steal from their employer: 20,820 gpI now await Freehold's argument as to why it's perfectly OK for good-aligned PCs to steal from their good-aligned employers.
(Not really. It's tongue-in-cheek. But *SIGH*. The "random NPC walks up and hands you unfathomable amounts of cash" trope is quickly catching up to the, "In this AP, a banshee pops out of nowhere with no foreshadowing and screams at the party" trope. (At least 3 APs have banshees that do that, and 2 of them have no warning at all.)
who are the PCs employers, again? Bounty hunters coming to kill them or someone else?
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Honestly, I should probably save all of NH's rants about SS and SA into a book entitled "What Not To Do When Writing An Adventure Campaign" and save it right next to the folder where I keep all my WIP campaigns.
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If the alternative is to let them beat you up for extralegal ends, that is not lawful or good, but stupid. Which is often what lawful and good ends up being.
You know, normally I kinda enjoy the little debates that go on here between you and those of us with more lawful mindsets, but this has crossed the line from silly banter to active insult.
If the alternative is to let them beat you up for extralegal ends, that is not lawful or good, but stupid. Which is often what lawful and good ends up being.You know, normally I kinda enjoy the little debates that go on here between you and those of us with more lawful mindsets, but this has crossed the line from silly banter to active insult.
I'm not the one simply shrugging my shoulder and letting hired thugs beat me up because it seems to be the lawful (and somehow good) thing to do. Clearly there is something missing from the description of the situation, but this AP may be so poorly written that that is EXACTLY what happens. I was waiting for more info from NH on that wrinkle, but he hasn't really responded yet.
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If the alternative is to let them beat you up for extralegal ends, that is not lawful or good, but stupid. Which is often what lawful and good ends up being.You know, normally I kinda enjoy the little debates that go on here between you and those of us with more lawful mindsets, but this has crossed the line from silly banter to active insult.
I think it's a coastal thing. Freehold doesn't bother me at all, because I know it's meant as affectionate tweaking. Yet the guy who basically said, "Man up and be a real GM" really insulted me.
I don't mind Freehold's proddings. Because it lets me give him more spoiler than he wants to read. :-P
Encounter #1: A Faith Barge. In this case, Freehold is (somewhat) in the right. The PCs and their NPC captain pay the tithe in town, and are then intercepted by a barge claiming that they didn't. *IF* they allow the tithe-takers on board, it's an automatic fight so there's no question, because the tithe-takers are corrupt. But before the tithe-takers come on board, the PCs have over a minute to decide what to do. The captain told the PCs that the tithe-takers probably wouldn't take, "No," for an answer.
The solution that hurts the fewest people is what my group did: Control Water on the barge, and then buh-bye as the barge was stuck motionless for over an hour. I don't know that intentionally sticking around to fight corrupt government tax collectors is necessarily Good or Lawful, but it's certainly not evil.
I just feel that it's more in line with the Good definition of "altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings" to make a choice to NOT beat them stupid. "We can leave without incident, so we should leave without incident," is a perfectly reasonable decision to me.
Encounter #2: A government executioner. The government of Galt convicted a senator of treason and sentenced him to death, then sent an executioner to carry out the sentence. The PCs can either beat up the lawfully-appointed representative of the current government, or they can cast Dimension Door, escape to the ship with the senator, and leave. Or they can just turn the senator in.
I think beating up the executioner because you oppose the death penalty is neither Lawful nor Good.
Encounter #3: The PCs are asked by a group of librarians to please deal with the horrors that have infested the library, and to bring back the body of the head librarian so he can be raised. And yep, even the head librarian's gear is considered "loot".
"Yes, ma'am, we brought him back to you. But his gear was, er, 'missing' somehow."
Not good at all. Not lawful at all.
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I'm not the one simply shrugging my shoulder and letting hired thugs beat me up because it seems to be the lawful (and somehow good) thing to do. Clearly there is something missing from the description of the situation, but this AP may be so poorly written that that is EXACTLY what happens. I was waiting for more info from NH on that wrinkle, but he hasn't really responded yet.If the alternative is to let them beat you up for extralegal ends, that is not lawful or good, but stupid. Which is often what lawful and good ends up being.You know, normally I kinda enjoy the little debates that go on here between you and those of us with more lawful mindsets, but this has crossed the line from silly banter to active insult.
You're making some weird assumption that the PCs are supposed to allow themselves to get beat up.
They can just leave. They don't have to fight at all. In fact, they're on a river journey so it is tactically advantageous and easier to leave than it is to stay and fight a bunch of pointless thugs.
Yet if they don't fight, they lose out on almost all of the loot in the AP.
EDIT: I was going to go on a big, angry tirade here, but it's FaWtL, so I'll be mellow:
An angry child walks up to a 20th-level paladin and says, "I hate you! You put my father in jail! I'm going to beat you up!"
Stating that the paladin's only two possible choices are to either
(a) Beat up the child and take his things, or
(b) Allow himself to be beat up because 'Lawful Stupid'
is a fundamentally false dichotomy.
My PCs come up with clever ways to escape conflict. I am extremely unfond of writing that punishes them harshly for their ingenuity.
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I think it's a coastal thing. Freehold doesn't bother me at all, because I know it's meant as affectionate tweaking. Yet the guy who basically said, "Man up and be a real GM" really insulted me.If the alternative is to let them beat you up for extralegal ends, that is not lawful or good, but stupid. Which is often what lawful and good ends up being.You know, normally I kinda enjoy the little debates that go on here between you and those of us with more lawful mindsets, but this has crossed the line from silly banter to active insult.
It really doesn't come across as affectionate today, at least to me. But I've been dealing with BS from people with regards to gaming all day so my patience is more than shot.
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Whingey Wizzard just got his AARP card in the mail.
I'm dyin'.
I can't wait for him to get home, just to see the look on his face.
Yes, I'm a terrible person.Countdown to fifty: t minus 21 days.
Chickens come home to roost...
WW: Hey! I got my AARP card in the mail yesterday! I just paid them twelve bucks for the first year!
Me: Yeah, I know. (Laughs evilly.)
WW: Just wait; you'll get your card soon.
Me: Yeah, in five more years.
WW: Nope. I had the option to sign up my spouse for free.
Me: [redacted]
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Which brings me in to ask the question. What alignment does the SA AP assume that the party holds? CN, CE, or NE? My opinion is that the AP is meant for a party of Chaotic Evil characters.
Paizo APs, unless written for a specific exception (like Wrath of the Righteous leans towards LG, Hell's Vengeance towards LE, etc.), tend to assume the party is CG, or at least CG-friendly.
But as NH has pointed out on many occasions, SA seems to keep assuming the PCs are willing to do non-good acts to make money and keep up with expected wealth. So... I'm guessing any of those three would work nicely, but I guess the default would be CN since it's not explicitly an evil campaign?