If an eidolon takes the limbs (arms) evolution, does he get 2 extra arms? Can both of these attack?
For example, if a low level eidolon (Biped build) spends 2 points on limbs (arms), and he already has one pair, then 2 points on Bash (1 point for each set of limbs), does he have 4 Bash attacks or only 2?
If an eidolon takes the limbs (arms) evolution, does he get 2 extra arms? Can both of these attack?
For example, if a low level eidolon (Biped build) spends 2 points on limbs (arms), and he already has one pair, then 2 points on Bash (1 point for each set of limbs), does he have 4 Bash attacks or only 2?
Thanks!
-Bloodsausage
Check that. I meant "Slam" on all accounts, not "Bash."
"Slam (Ex): An eidolon can deliver a devastating slam attack. This attack is a primary attack. The slam deals 1d8 points of damage (2d6 if Large, 2d8 if Huge). The eidolon must have the limbs (arms) evolution to take this evolution. Alternatively, the eidolon can replace the claws from its base form with this slam attack (this still costs 1 evolution point). This evolution can be selected more than once, but the eidolon must possess an equal number of the limbs evolution."
Basically, it requires a Limb (Arms) evolution for each Slam evolution.
However, being a 'regular' Primary attack, it still receives only a Str multiplier of x1... unless it is the ONLY Primary attack it possesses.
PRD -> Monsters -> Universal Monster Rules:
Spoiler:
"Natural Attacks Most creatures possess one or more natural attacks (attacks made without a weapon). These attacks fall into one of two categories, primary and secondary attacks. Primary attacks are made using the creature's full base attack bonus and add the creature's full Strength bonus on damage rolls. Secondary attacks are made using the creature's base attack bonus –5 and add only 1/2 the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. If a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature's full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. This increase does not apply if the creature has multiple attacks but only takes one. If a creature has only one type of attack, but has multiple attacks per round, that attack is treated as a primary attack, regardless of its type. Table: Natural Attacks by Size lists some of the most common types of natural attacks and their classifications.
Some creatures treat one or more of their attacks differently, such as dragons, which always receive 1-1/2 times their Strength bonus on damage rolls with their bite attack. These exceptions are noted in the creature's description."
The only Natural Attacks which have this particular exception (of which I'm aware on) are the Rend Evolution and the Bite Evolution, and even then, to benefit from the extra Strength the Bite Evolution needs to be already present on the Eidolon itself - and then improved through the Bite Evolution again.
Spoiler:
Bite (Ex): An eidolon's maw is full of razor-sharp teeth, giving it a bite attack. This attack is a primary attack. The bite deals 1d6 points of damage (1d8 if Large, 2d6 if Huge). If the eidolon already has a bite attack, this evolution allows it to deal 1-1/2 times its Strength modifier on damage rolls made with its bite.
There are some debates on what this means; I am personally of the idea that it means that the Eidolon must be of the Quadruped or Serpentine Base form - which gives a Bite Evolution 'for free' - and then take the Bite Evolution on its own (since an evolution, unless specified , can be taken only ONCE, and the Bite Evolution doesn't specify that it can be taken multiple times). But again, other people dissent from this reading, so...
That helps a lot. It's my first summoner, so I'm still getting it, and it makes way more sense for Slam to be the way it is. Otherwise, why would anyone ever take Claws over it?
That helps a lot. It's my first summoner, so I'm still getting it, and it makes way more sense for Slam to be the way it is. Otherwise, why would anyone ever take Claws over it?
Exactly. For each pair of arms, you can get two claws, one slam (more damage, but only one), or two pincers (more damage, but they're secondary attacks). Or you could put a weapon in each hand...
One last limbs question, now that we're on to claws:
The Claws evolution says you may only apply the claws evolution to legs once. Can a biped attack with claws on his feet if he only has two feet? I don't see anything prohibiting it, but I was wondering if I missed something.
Heck, since I've got your attention anyway, would the Reach evolution apply to all of one attack type (like claws) or just one of those claw attacks? EDIT: Nevermind. It clearly says one attack several times.
One last limbs question, now that we're on to claws:
The Claws evolution says you may only apply the claws evolution to legs once. Can a biped attack with claws on his feet if he only has two feet? I don't see anything prohibiting it, but I was wondering if I missed something.
Heck, since I've got your attention anyway, would the Reach evolution apply to all of one attack type (like claws) or just one of those claw attacks? EDIT: Nevermind. It clearly says one attack several times.
Claws (Ex): An eidolon has a pair of vicious claws at the end of its limbs, giving it two claw attacks. These attacks are primary attacks. The claws deal 1d4 points of damage (1d6 if Large, 1d8 if Huge). The eidolon must have the limbs evolution to take this evolution. This evolution can only be applied to the limbs (legs) evolution once This
evolution can be selected more than once, but the eidolon must possess an equal number of the limbs evolution.
Granted it doesn't say you can't but I have a gnome summoner with a quadraped. I took claws (legs) and by the way I read it, I can't take it again for the back claws. Saying that, I would figure you couldn't attack with your feet without being a monk. Otherwise, you would fall prone every time you attacked.
Granted it doesn't say you can't but I have a gnome summoner with a quadraped. I took claws (legs) and by the way I read it, I can't take it again for the back claws. Saying that, I would figure you couldn't attack with your feet without being a monk. Otherwise, you would fall prone every time you attacked.
Just my thoughts mind.
I don't know if it changes anything, but I intend this eidolon to have wings, too; he wouldn't fall using his legs. I guess the question is still the same: can a biped attack with claws on his feet?
Granted it doesn't say you can't but I have a gnome summoner with a quadraped. I took claws (legs) and by the way I read it, I can't take it again for the back claws. Saying that, I would figure you couldn't attack with your feet without being a monk. Otherwise, you would fall prone every time you attacked.
Just my thoughts mind.
I don't know if it changes anything, but I intend this eidolon to have wings, too; he wouldn't fall using his legs. I guess the question is still the same: can a biped attack with claws on his feet?
It may or may not be sensical, I am not sure. Perhaps he performs a small hop when he attacks. I leave that up to the players imagination. What I do know is, the claws evolution may be applied to the legs once. It does not say that your eidolon needs to be a quadruped to do this.
Your starting biped claws evolution could even be on your legs, leaving your arms open for a slam.
