If it wasn't for "identical twins", I would have suggested a Half-Orc and Half-Elf.
For the melee a Shining knight arch-type, and for the ranged, a Sacred Servant arch-type.
Reason: It makes the two characters very dissimilar
The melee doesn't waste time or energy on spells, he focuses more on being the warrior, bringing the fight to the enemies. He tends to be impulsive and impatient.
The ranged paladin is calm, cool, collective. She stands at the back directing the battle and supporting the others.
Why the twin has 15 int and not 15 cha(which will go to 17 with the racial mod)?
You could be fraternal twins. It is possible for a woman to carry fraternal twins with different fathers. This is call heteropaternal superfecundation.
Therefore, you could have twins with one being a half elf and one being half orc. I think this would be interesting to role-play.
You could be fraternal twins. It is possible for a woman to carry fraternal twins with different fathers. This is call heteropaternal superfecundation.
Therefore, you could have twins with one being a half elf and one being half orc. I think this would be interesting to role-play.
You do not want to repeat this term around a bard who knows the tunes from Mary Poppins. It doesn't scan perfectly, but if you just draw the first word out, or make it "heteropaternalistic," it would work perfectly. And every time some villager at a pub started to wonder....
VILLAGER: "A half-elf? And a half-orc? Twin brothers? How can this be?"
PALADINS: "Um...."
BARD: "Funny you should ask. The wizards have a word for this, and I just so happen to have made up a song to explain it to you." (STRUMS LUTE) (SINGING) "Heteropaternalistic superfecundation! Half-orc half-elf paladins are quite the twin sensations! Human mum beds orc then elf, that is the explanation! Heteropaternalistic superfecundation!"
PALADINS: (GLARE at bard, wondering why their "Detect Evil" isn't working)
VILLAGER: "A half-elf? And a half-orc? Twin brothers? How can this be?"
PALADINS: "Um...."
BARD: "Funny you should ask. The wizards have a word for this, and I just so happen to have made up a song to explain it to you." (STRUMS LUTE) (SINGING) "Heteropaternalistic superfecundation! Half-orc half-elf paladins are quite the twin sensations! Human mum beds orc then elf, that is the explanation! Heteropaternalistic superfecundation!"
PALADINS: (GLARE at bard, wondering why their "Detect Evil" isn't working)
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For the greatsword one I would suggest putting the +2 racial to Strength for 17.
For the twin, go with a 15 char and +2 racial for 17.
Again the Half Elf, Half Orc would be an interesting match.
I once ran an epic game where two of the players were sisters... Half elf Terri and Half Orc Perri. During the course of the game then found a Half Red Dragon, Half Drow and Half Ilithid.... All female Sherri Marri and Scarri.
I'm the one who'd be playing the other twin. While we may explore the possibility of having a Half-Elf, Half-Orc twin pairing, we won't be applying racial bonuses to get any stat up to a 17. We just got out of a campaign where all the other players were min/maxed, and we're trying to be more character focused in this one.
I'm the one who'd be playing the other twin. While we may explore the possibility of having a Half-Elf, Half-Orc twin pairing, we won't be applying racial bonuses to get any stat up to a 17. We just got out of a campaign where all the other players were min/maxed, and we're trying to be more character focused in this one.
First of all what is wrong with min/maxing?
Second why should placing your racial stat to an important stat hinders your ability to focus on your character?
There is nothing inherently wrong with min/maxing. Whats wrong with not?
I'm the one who'd be playing the other twin. While we may explore the possibility of having a Half-Elf, Half-Orc twin pairing, we won't be applying racial bonuses to get any stat up to a 17. We just got out of a campaign where all the other players were min/maxed, and we're trying to be more character focused in this one.First of all what is wrong with min/maxing?
Second why should placing your racial stat to an important stat hinders your ability to focus on your character?
Nothing, it's just that Jordan73 made it seem like it's a bad thing.
Dude....an Int 11 is smarter than the average human. The fighter was not Forest Gump for crying outloud. He is more like a mid to high rank field commander. He should absolutely "know all that stuff".
Technically as a fighter, if he took one skill point and put it into "that stuff" he could have been making all the rolls he wanted to for it. This is not a case of min/max-ing...its a case of not understanding that a "10" is normal. Normal. A "10" is a high school graduate....actually...considering 75% of americans graduate high school....perhaps a high school graduate is more of a "9".
So, that fighter is smarter than a high school graduate..perhaps he even has an associate's degree. (using today's examples since they are easier to understand).
Attributes have very little to do with how you play your character...just like flour has very little to do with what kind of cookies you are making. If you want to make cookies, chances are, you will use flour. If you want to make a character, you better have attributes. Your scores in these attributes only determine the foundation of the house you are going to build.
Even if the fighter "only" had an Int 11, if he had invested points into K(history) when a fighter with an Int 22 had not invested skill points in it, then he would...in fact...be BETTER at it than the fighter who didn't. That is one of the beautiful things about pathfinder (as opposed to 4E), your character does not hinge on your attributes.
So, this is less of a min/maxer or optimizer issue, than it is an issue that the player doesn't understand the system. Hope that was enough analogies for you... lol...what can I say...I like analogies.