I am wondering what happened to the old addage treat people how you want to be treated. People who say they are your friend and then they disrespect you and your items that hold sentimental values.
We are self absorbed organisms. US culture seems to encourage this more and more every day. Fewer people care about doing a good job or showing basic consideration or courtesy with each passing day.
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I accept up front not everyone will agree with this comment, but I think it's worth an honest week's thought. The progenitor of this golden rule you speak of is increasingly marginalized in our culture. Insofar as the country thinks less and less of Jesus' advice and claims, there should be little surprise that His wisdom, once thought invaluable, is similarly marginalized. As one comic strip put it, a little boy prays at night "God, every day in our country there are fights in our schools, kids bringing guns and drugs, teachers seducing or corrupting their students, and prejudice and hate and conflict. How can You let this happen?" To which God replies to the little boy, "I feel for you, son. But I haven't been allowed in your schools in some time."
We can't give each other what we don't have. And if we don't respect one another as God's creation, whom He loves and has plans for, then we can't show each other that respect.
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I accept up front not everyone will agree with this comment, but I think it's worth an honest week's thought. The progenitor of this golden rule you speak of is increasingly marginalized in our culture. Insofar as the country thinks less and less of Jesus' advice and claims, there should be little surprise that His wisdom, once thought invaluable, is similarly marginalized. As one comic strip put it, a little boy prays at night "God, every day in our country there are fights in our schools, kids bringing guns and drugs, teachers seducing or corrupting their students, and prejudice and hate and conflict. How can You let this happen?" To which God replies to the little boy, "I feel for you, son. But I haven't been allowed in your schools in some time."
We can't give each other what we don't have. And if we don't respect one another as God's creation, whom He loves and has plans for, then we can't show each other that respect.
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I accept up front not everyone will agree with this comment, but I think it's worth an honest week's thought. The progenitor of this golden rule you speak of is increasingly marginalized in our culture. Insofar as the country thinks less and less of Jesus' advice and claims, there should be little surprise that His wisdom, once thought invaluable, is similarly marginalized. As one comic strip put it, a little boy prays at night "God, every day in our country there are fights in our schools, kids bringing guns and drugs, teachers seducing or corrupting their students, and prejudice and hate and conflict. How can You let this happen?" To which God replies to the little boy, "I feel for you, son. But I haven't been allowed in your schools in some time."
We can't give each other what we don't have. And if we don't respect one another as God's creation, whom He loves and has plans for, then we can't show each other that respect.
So atheists can't respect other people? Charming. I suppose its too much to hope that you'd notice the irony?
Also, The Golden Rule way predates the origion you ascribe to it.
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I accept up front not everyone will agree with this comment, but I think it's worth an honest week's thought. The progenitor of this golden rule you speak of is increasingly marginalized in our culture. Insofar as the country thinks less and less of Jesus' advice and claims, there should be little surprise that His wisdom, once thought invaluable, is similarly marginalized. As one comic strip put it, a little boy prays at night "God, every day in our country there are fights in our schools, kids bringing guns and drugs, teachers seducing or corrupting their students, and prejudice and hate and conflict. How can You let this happen?" To which God replies to the little boy, "I feel for you, son. But I haven't been allowed in your schools in some time."
We can't give each other what we don't have. And if we don't respect one another as God's creation, whom He loves and has plans for, then we can't show each other that respect.
For one, the Golden Rule existed before Jesus in many differebt cultures.
For two, your post is one of the best examples of disrespect of, well everyone who doesn't believe in your version of God (currently two-thirds of the planet) by saying only your special religion has a belief in being nice to others.
For three, God is not banned in American schools. Teacher led prayer is so that children are not forced to pray to something they don't believe in. I'd have thought a conservtive like you would be all for the government not forcing religion on people. Would you be ok if schools were forced to teach Islam and lead daily prayers to Allah? You wouldn't? Well, golly gee, that's just how non-Christians feel about you getting to force their children to listen to your religion.
For four, Europe doesn't have such a problem with school shootings and we'e had God out of the schools for quite a while, so clearly it's not lack of God that's the problem.
For five, there's a little matter of your Contituion limitng the government's role in promotig religion. This is a good thing unless yu want to lve in a theocracy. And I'm assuming you know why that wold be a bad idea.
So, in short, I'm afraid your analysis is incorrect in several parts.
So, in short, I'm afraid your analysis is incorrect in several parts.
That's putting it mildly. Where are all the "conservatives don't actually believe that" posts? Here is one conservative that clearly does.
Deplorable.
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I accept up front not everyone will agree with this comment, but I think it's worth an honest week's thought. The progenitor of this golden rule you speak of is increasingly marginalized in our culture. Insofar as the country thinks less and less of Jesus' advice and claims, there should be little surprise that His wisdom, once thought invaluable, is similarly marginalized. As one comic strip put it, a little boy prays at night "God, every day in our country there are fights in our schools, kids bringing guns and drugs, teachers seducing or corrupting their students, and prejudice and hate and conflict. How can You let this happen?" To which God replies to the little boy, "I feel for you, son. But I haven't been allowed in your schools in some time."
We can't give each other what we don't have. And if we don't respect one another as God's creation, whom He loves and has plans for, then we can't show each other that respect.
This reminds me of when I used to bus tables at a local restaurant. Sunday nights we would always have the same 8 people going home after church. I had never met people who were more disrespectful to the wait staff. Making fun of the girls appearance so just generally mean. I was so outraged until another group from that same church came in one night, they tore into the first group for being disrespectful. When it comes down to it I think it has more to do an individual basis. I'm an atheist but after experiencing such disrespect, I go out of my way to try and not to be disrespectful to others. While I respect your beliefs Steven and I'm glad they give you peace and happiness, they are not always absolutely true in all cases.
I accept up front not everyone will agree with this comment, but I think it's worth an honest week's thought. The progenitor of this golden rule you speak of is increasingly marginalized in our culture. Insofar as the country thinks less and less of Jesus' advice and claims, there should be little surprise that His wisdom, once thought invaluable, is similarly marginalized. As one comic strip put it, a little boy prays at night "God, every day in our country there are fights in our schools, kids bringing guns and drugs, teachers seducing or corrupting their students, and prejudice and hate and conflict. How can You let this happen?" To which God replies to the little boy, "I feel for you, son. But I haven't been allowed in your schools in some time."
We can't give each other what we don't have. And if we don't respect one another as God's creation, whom He loves and has plans for, then we can't show each other that respect.
Even as a Christian I can't agree with your assessment Steve. I believe it to be more of a cultural problem than a "lack of God" problem.
I can't recall too many being killed in the name of Buddha.
Also: This may be the fastest I've seen a thread go off topic in quite awhile.
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So, in short, I'm afraid your analysis is incorrect in several parts.That's putting it mildly. Where are all the "conservatives don't actually believe that" posts? Here is one conservative that clearly does.
Deplorable.
Bugleyman I don't think Steven meant to attack atheists. I think he was simply sharing his religious belief. I for one really don't have a problem with it. I just don't agree. Please remember tone is important in how you respond to others.
The golden rule is nice and all, but sometimes you just have to let it go if someone offends you.
very wise words good sir.
Those who have the gold make the rules? It's still around...
The golden rule is nice and all, but sometimes you just have to let it go if someone offends you.
*punt* *feathers fly everywhere* Sorta like that?
So, in short, I'm afraid your analysis is incorrect in several parts.That's putting it mildly. Where are all the "conservatives don't actually believe that" posts? Here is one conservative that clearly does.
Deplorable.
Ironically, I know quite a few politically liberal Christians who would strongly agree with Steven's conclusion. It may be helpful not to conflate religious orthodoxy and political conservatism even if the two overlap sometimes.
I am wondering what happened to the old addage treat people how you want to be treated. People who say they are your friend and then they disrespect you and your items that hold sentimental values.
BTW, welcome to the Paizo boards GeminiG. Most of the threads don't get this excitable.
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I am wondering what happened to the old addage treat people how you want to be treated. People who say they are your friend and then they disrespect you and your items that hold sentimental values.BTW, welcome to the Paizo boards GeminiG. Most of the threads don't get this excitable.
Unless they're about politics. Or religion. Or 4E. Or whether Wizards are overpowered or not. You know, the important things.
Unless they're about politics. Or religion. Or 4E. Or whether Wizards are overpowered or not.I am wondering what happened to the old addage treat people how you want to be treated. People who say they are your friend and then they disrespect you and your items that hold sentimental values.BTW, welcome to the Paizo boards GeminiG. Most of the threads don't get this excitable.
Or play tests - Play tests used to be fun then the "experts" and the self appointed guardians of D&D purity jump up and down and pontificate on how we should play and what the game has to be like.
S$~@s me to tears it does.
Bugleyman I don't think Steven meant to attack atheists. I think he was simply sharing his religious belief. I for one really don't have a problem with it. I just don't agree. Please remember tone is important in how you respond to others.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment, I also believe that some things need to be called exactly what they are. "People aren't honest and respectful because they aren't in my religion" is deplorable b$$#&!!~, plain and simple.
The internet happened.
You can't blame the internet! It's just a series of tubes!
A series of tubes filled with garbage. Obviously it's a sewer.
How many other diseases have come from sewers? Exactly. Internet did it.
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I am wondering what happened to the old addage treat people how you want to be treated. People who say they are your friend and then they disrespect you and your items that hold sentimental values.
Some people just aren't very nice. Some are. An important life skill is to learn to recognise and avoid the ones who aren't.
This is the 21st century, get over it.
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I accept up front not everyone will agree with this comment, but I think it's worth an honest week's thought. The progenitor of this golden rule you speak of is increasingly marginalized in our culture. Insofar as the country thinks less and less of Jesus' advice and claims, there should be little surprise that His wisdom, once thought invaluable, is similarly marginalized. As one comic strip put it, a little boy prays at night "God, every day in our country there are fights in our schools, kids bringing guns and drugs, teachers seducing or corrupting their students, and prejudice and hate and conflict. How can You let this happen?" To which God replies to the little boy, "I feel for you, son. But I haven't been allowed in your schools in some time."
We can't give each other what we don't have. And if we don't respect one another as God's creation, whom He loves and has plans for, then we can't show each other that respect.
[tongue in cheek]
God should just shake that kid and say - "What? This is my fault? You're in that school every day. Why don't *you* do something about these problems? I help those who help themselves."I know it's just a kid, and maybe it's unfair to put all the responsibility on him, but in my (old testament) experience, God can be kind of a hardass. And at least at the school the kid's teachers aren't trying to sacrifice him or cut off the tip of his penis or anything.
[/tongue in cheek]
But seriously though, I don't think God is the issue here.
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I accept up front not everyone will agree with this comment, but I think it's worth an honest week's thought. The progenitor of this golden rule you speak of is increasingly marginalized in our culture. Insofar as the country thinks less and less of Jesus' advice and claims....
The "Golden Rule" predates Jesus by approximately 2000 years.
A thread complaining about lack of respect generates a number of questionably respectful replies.
I have officially consumed my daily dose of irony.
God/Damnation should not be necessary for Morals and Ethics to be desired and followed.
Go read some Bertrand Russel.
Oh an no, not only am I not an atheist, I am also a Freemason.
That said, I wonder how we can ever have world peace when people are not willing to return a shopping cart to the store that allowed them to use the cart in the first place?
You are unwilling to return the cart, yet would request that you have one if none were there. It's little things that speak a lot about the world, and this illustrates a complete inability to "do unto others", it's sad really.
Oh and by the time most people have weeble-wobbled their cart onto the curb, they could have brought it to the store back twice.
That said, I wonder how we can ever have world peace when people are not willing to return a shopping cart to the store that allowed them to use the cart in the first place?
So you're saying homeless people are the reason we don't have world peace yet?
That's not what I learned in atheist school. (I learned that St. Reagan was wrathful, and cursed the homeless, and that's why we can't have nice things, because communism. It wasn't really a great school, come to think of it.)
Oh FFS. A single post from someone I've never heard of, and we are jumping up and down arguing about ethics. Flamebait and we all fell for it. The OP has a personal issue he wants to moan about, not a generalised one. Sheesh.
I concur that the OP is venting about a personal issue, but I don't think he meant it as flame bait.
Also he's Woody's brother, so he's not a sock puppet if that's a concern.
just my 2 CP
Ironically, I know quite a few politically liberal Christians who would strongly agree with Steven's conclusion. It may be helpful not to conflate religious orthodoxy and political conservatism even if the two overlap sometimes.
You're absolutely correct -- my prejudices got the better of me. Please accept my apology.
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I can't recall too many being killed in the name of Buddha.
Also: This may be the fastest I've seen a thread go off topic in quite awhile.
[threadjack]I watched a documentary a couple of months back about an indigenous group from Nepal who relocated lock, stock, and barrel to India to escape Buddhist oppression in their home land. I remember think "Buddhists oppress people?"[/threadjack]
As an atheist/agnostic/skeptic:
Although I take issue with Stephen Helt's implication that belief in God is necessary for courtesy and morality, I would like to emphatically agree with him on the need for some specific Christians to aspire to more Christ-like behavior. Non-sarcastically, I think it would be a good thing for people to actually follow a model of tolerance and charity instead of just listening to it on Sundays.
As an atheist/agnostic/skeptic:
Although I take issue with Stephen Helt's implication that belief in God is necessary for courtesy and morality, I would like to emphatically agree with him on the need for some specific Christians to aspire to more Christ-like behavior. Non-sarcastically, I think it would be a good thing for people to actually follow a model of tolerance and charity instead of just listening to it on Sundays.
Agreed. And this is coming from a pew-sitter. (that's how you spell pew, right?)
And I, too, wonder about the circumstances that prompted this post.