What about shuriken?


Samurai Discussion: Round 1


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In bad 1980s ninja movies, shuriken are associated with ninja, but actually they were used throughought East Asia and were used by samurai. There is nothing "exotic" about such a throwing blade other than the style being uncommon in the West. How about giving samurai shuriken proficiency?

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RJGrady wrote:
In bad 1980s ninja movies, shuriken are associated with ninja, but actually they were used throughought East Asia and were used by samurai. There is nothing "exotic" about such a throwing blade other than the style being uncommon in the West. How about giving samurai shuriken proficiency?

Historically correct, but not meshing with a more popularist model... incidently Samurai get three weapon proficiencies MORE that the Cav. Giving a 4th does nothing for the balance.

Skill with throwing blades and the throwing blade themselves could be represented by a thrown dagger or even a dart (just changing the appearance)


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Or you could just make them proficient with shuriken, which are weaker than darts. Also, this is one of those history lessons that is painless: no one HAS to use shuriken if they don't want to.


Helaman wrote:
RJGrady wrote:
In bad 1980s ninja movies, shuriken are associated with ninja, but actually they were used throughought East Asia and were used by samurai. There is nothing "exotic" about such a throwing blade other than the style being uncommon in the West. How about giving samurai shuriken proficiency?
Historically correct, but not meshing with a more popularist model... incidently Samurai get three weapon proficiencies MORE that the Cav. Giving a 4th does nothing for the balance.

Remember that quality matters more than quantity. Katana proficiency is a nice boon, but what it amounts to is just a +1 damage compared to a longsword. And at higher levels, most optimizers wouldn't use a longsword but a scimitar (since crits matter more than +1 damage), so the benefit is even smaller.

The weapon proficiency bonuses are so low they can easily be filled by some other ability being slightly weaker than the original.


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Or even just different. Proficiency with one sub-par "Exotic weapon" counts as flavor more than an "ability."


the Nodachi/Odachi should be on the list as well. as should the Zanbatou and the Kodachi.

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stringburka wrote:

Remember that quality matters more than quantity. Katana proficiency is a nice boon, but what it amounts to is just a +1 damage compared to a longsword. And at higher levels, most optimizers wouldn't use a longsword but a scimitar (since crits matter more than +1 damage), so the benefit is even smaller.

How would a player ever take a Samurai and then throw their Katana (assuming it stays as a bastard sword) away for Scimitar?

Its it is a +1 on average damage, but potentially its +2 at maximum, and if that isnt a big deal, then why even have the bastard sword at all as an exotic weapon?


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Honestly, I'm of the school that every warrior's second weapon should be a cold iron morningstar and an oil of GMW. There's nary a DR that can be found what can withstand a cold iron morningstar and some buffs. One or two points of damage is not much in the grand scheme, compared to critical ranges, DR penetration, reach, etc.


RJGrady wrote:
Honestly, I'm of the school that every warrior's second weapon should be a cold iron morningstar and an oil of GMW. There's nary a DR that can be found what can withstand a cold iron morningstar and some buffs. One or two points of damage is not much in the grand scheme, compared to critical ranges, DR penetration, reach, etc.

Tetsubo: Apply directly to the forehead.

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Helaman wrote:
...why even have the bastard sword at all as an exotic weapon?

Because using the "popularist model" (as Helaman calls it) is a samurai with a katana (and probably a wakizashi). While historically, this may not be very accurate (seems they used polearms and bows more than anything), we're not playing a historic re-enactment game. We're playing a fantasy game. The "fantastic" image of a samurai does not include throwing shurikens, but it does include the katana.

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