When mounted, do attackers get choice of attacking rider or mount?
If horse dies/is tripped, what happens to rider, who ends in what space?
On mounted person provoking aoo, who get attacked, both?
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When mounted, do attackers get choice of attacking rider or mount?
Mounted rider can attack either with mount or rider, or can make a Ride DC10 check to attack with both.
Attacker attacking a mounted rider can choose which targets. A rider has options to either take cover and make it harder to hit him, or to manouver the horse to avoid the blow.
If horse dies/is tripped, what happens to rider, who ends in what space?
The rider falls, makes a Ride check to avoid taking damage. Space where he ends up...I don't recall, but is either in space of mount or his choice of adjacent. edit: If mount isn't helpless, it must be adjacent.
On mounted person provoking aoo, who get attacked, both?
It depends on what provoked. If provoke is due to movement, both horse and rider have provoked, and attacker can choose, or attack both if able. If provoke is due to an action of the rider (cast spell, ranged attack), only the rider can be attacked. Similarly with the mount.
When mounted, do attackers get choice of attacking rider or mount?Mounted rider can attack either with mount or rider, or can make a Ride DC10 check to attack with both.
Attacker attacking a mounted rider can choose which targets. A rider has options to either take cover and make it harder to hit him, or to manouver the horse to avoid the blow.
If horse dies/is tripped, what happens to rider, who ends in what space?The rider falls, makes a Ride check to avoid taking damage. Space where he ends up...I don't recall, but is either in space of mount or his choice of adjacent.
On mounted person provoking aoo, who get attacked, both?It depends on what provoked. If provoke is due to movement, both horse and rider have provoked, and attacker can choose, or attack both if able. If provoke is due to an action of the rider (cast spell, ranged attack), only the rider can be attacked. Similarly with the mount.
No, when a mob attacks a mounted pc, does it get the choice to attack mount or pc?
It seems mounts are just a liability at moderate lvs.
See mounted pc, attack mount, one hit kills mount, rider becomes prone on failed check and horse gone.
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No, when a mob attacks a mounted pc, does it get the choice to attack mount or pc?
It seems mounts are just a liability at moderate lvs.
See mounted pc, attack mount, one hit kills mount, rider becomes prone on failed check and horse gone.
I answered this. Again:
Attacker attacking a mounted rider can choose which targets. A rider has options to either take cover and make it harder to hit him, or to manouver the horse to avoid the blow.
In addition, with combat reflexes, attack can attack both the pc and the mount.
Mounts are very useful for travelling. However, unless trained on how to fight on a mount, better get your feet on the ground before combat starts. Double damage on a charging mount is very powerful, if the enemy doesn't kill your mount or tie you up in combat then you probably win.
No, when a mob attacks a mounted pc, does it get the choice to attack mount or pc?
It seems mounts are just a liability at moderate lvs.
See mounted pc, attack mount, one hit kills mount, rider becomes prone on failed check and horse gone.
I answered this. Again:
Attacker attacking a mounted rider can choose which targets. A rider has options to either take cover and make it harder to hit him, or to manouver the horse to avoid the blow.
In addition, with combat reflexes, attack can attack both the pc and the mount.
Re maneuver mount, this requires a feet correct, mounted combat. Then you must roll a ride check higher than the attack roll against your mount.
It just seems like spending the money on a war trained horse is a waste, even with enchanted barding and a feat, it's just going to die non stop in combat after lv 6.
Only way they stand a chance in combat is if they are a class feature mount that scales with level.
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A rider has options to either take cover and make it harder to hit him, or to manouver the horse to avoid the blow.Mind if I ask where is this stated? This is my recollection to, but for the life of me, I can not find the source.
Taking cover is in the Ride skill description. Controlling the mount to avoid it taking a blow requires the Mounted Combat feat and is described there.
No, when a mob attacks a mounted pc, does it get the choice to attack mount or pc?
It seems mounts are just a liability at moderate lvs.
See mounted pc, attack mount, one hit kills mount, rider becomes prone on failed check and horse gone.
I answered this. Again:
Attacker attacking a mounted rider can choose which targets. A rider has options to either take cover and make it harder to hit him, or to manouver the horse to avoid the blow.
In addition, with combat reflexes, attack can attack both the pc and the mount.
Re maneuver mount, this requires a feet correct, mounted combat. Then you must roll a ride check higher than the attack roll against your mount.
It just seems like spending the money on a war trained horse is a waste, even with enchanted barding and a feat, it's just going to die non stop in combat after lv 6.
Only way they stand a chance in combat is if they are a class feature mount that scales with level.
Or get increasingly more exotic mounts: pegasi, giant eagles, dragons, etc. But yeah, a 10th level fighter riding around on a basic heavy horse, even with magic barding, is opening himself up for a world of hurt. cf: previous poster talking about Battle of Agincourt/St. Crispin's Day.
If you want to play a mounted combat char. to mid-higher levels you have to be a Class that gets a mount that levels with you .
Cavalier , Druid , Paladin are the best .
Ranger is not to bad for their mount but i think they are the best for their riding abitily(feats)
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A rider has options to either take cover and make it harder to hit him, or to manouver the horse to avoid the blow.Thnx, Howie! Followup question: The Mounted Combat states that the skill can interrupt an attack. But can the "cover" immediate action interrupt in the same way?
"Cover: You can react instantly to drop down and hang alongside your mount, using it as cover. You can't attack or cast spells while using your mount as cover. If you fail your Ride check, you don't get the cover benefit. Using this option is an immediate action, but recovering from this position is a move action (no check required)."
Yeah, it's an immediate action. Since they are both immediate actions, and you only get one immediate action, you can do one or the other, but not both.
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"Cover: You can react instantly to drop down and hang alongside your mount, using it as cover. You can't attack or cast spells while using your mount as cover. If you fail your Ride check, you don't get the cover benefit. Using this option is an immediate action, but recovering from this position is a move action (no check required)."Yeah, it's an immediate action. Since they are both immediate actions, and you only get one immediate action, you can do one or the other, but not both.
Attempting a Ride check to negate a hit on your mount is indeed an immediate action (as per Mounted Combat's description) except when it is not, ie when you have taken the Trick Riding feat (from APG) which allows you to make a Ride check to negate a hit on your mount twice in the same round. Since you can take a maximum of one immediate action per round, it follows that making the Ride check is not an immediate action anymore and is likely a free action.
Thus, if you have the Trick Riding feat, you can use your mount as cover AND attempt to negate 2 hits on your mount in the same round.
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"Cover: You can react instantly to drop down and hang alongside your mount, using it as cover. You can't attack or cast spells while using your mount as cover. If you fail your Ride check, you don't get the cover benefit. Using this option is an immediate action, but recovering from this position is a move action (no check required)."Yeah, it's an immediate action. Since they are both immediate actions, and you only get one immediate action, you can do one or the other, but not both.
Attempting a Ride check to negate a hit on your mount is indeed an immediate action (as per Mounted Combat's description) except when it is not, ie when you have taken the Trick Riding feat (from APG) which allows you to make a Ride check to negate a hit on your mount twice in the same round. Since you can take a maximum of one immediate action per round, it follows that making the Ride check is not an immediate action anymore and is likely a free action.
Thus, if you have the Trick Riding feat, you can use your mount as cover AND attempt to negate 2 hits on your mount in the same round.
Exceptions have the effect of making exceptions to the rules. Personally, I would rule that Trick Riding still uses the immediate action. I would tend toward it being "two rolls, take the better," but would likely compromise to allow it in response to the same or a different attack. The rider gets two checks, but nothing says the action has changed; it is an added complexity to suggest that it then changes the action type, much less to an action type that can't be used when not the rider's turn, such as a free action.
I don't know whether to be amused or whether to just shake my head that the PF developers made the point of editing the Mounted Combat hit-negation ability to become an immediate action (thus incorporating it into the expanded action set above and beyond the SRD), and then included the Trick Riding ability that then steps outside of the action system again. I suppose that the simultaneous response of amusement and impulse to shake one's head is the hallmark of irony.
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Good catch on the free action not being usable outside of your round.
You are probably right that activating the ability is still an immediate action and that Trick Riding only gives you an additional use per activation (ie, usable against 2 different attacks, but still counted as an immediate action).
I will have to clarify this point with my GM before I take the feat.