I must object!


Ninja Discussion: Round 1

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Japan has Meikyu Kingdom which is the best tabletop game in the entire universe. 'Nuff said.


Jess Door wrote:
So one romanization would be sakabatou (or sakabatoh if you prefer). Sorry!

Oh, yeah! Those are those little grid puzzles in the newspaper with the numbers and blanks...


houstonderek wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
mdt wrote:
KnightErrantJR wrote:

I don't always agree with houstonderek 100%, and I don't quite even with his points here, but he's got some points that I agree with, and more than that, I don't really think he said anything that warranted the responses he got.

I'm kind of wondering why when some of us regulars that are pretty civil in our disagreement make comments, we're getting more terse responses than people that are downright rude.

Are we doing it wrong? Would we get more respect if we were just outright jerks?

Personally I found his attacks on anyone who likes anime and japanimation as 'Japanophiles' insulting, especially all but calling half of us creepy 40 yo pedophiles.

I see no reason to be polite to someone who's intentionally posting crap like that. If he can't take it right back, perhaps he should think about what he's posting before he posts it.

Completely agreed. Lumping everybody who likes Japan, anime and the concepts of Ninjas and Samurai together and insulting them to boot is really not civil discourse of any kind. "Flamebaiting" is more like it.

Well, I couldn't let the irony of someone calling people who dislike a domestic phenomenon of people who think Japanese culture > any other culture "xenophobic" when the culture they worship is possibly the most xenophobic culture on the planet go.

Poor trolling effort on my part, sorry for the collateral damage.

I didn't say you were. Just said your statement (which has a very valid argument) was.

Believe it or not, I actually agree with you that the ninja and samurai shouldn't be a base class. I'd prefer to see them as an archetype personally, but I think this alternate class works.


Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Too be fair to HD, explicitly can also mean "easily observable." It could be an easily observable outcome of game designing trends, without being an overt intention of game designers.

Dictionary.com doesn't have anything like that definition.

houstonderek wrote:
Like, saying PrCs are "strictly optional" in the DMG, then publishing a bunch of player targeted books chock full of PrCs. That the players paid $30 a pop for.

And how many of those has Paizo done? Zero? Negative zero? Square root of zero?

Also, the Core Rulebook page 374 says, "Some prestige classes are quite focused and heavy on flavor that might not be compatible with your campaign—consult with your GM before you start to work toward qualifying for a prestige class to make sure that the class is allowed." Are there later books that say "No, you can take these prestige classes without asking your GM?"

As an off shoot of this statement and in reference to class bloat...what would all of you that are so quick to the torch and pitchfork have Paizo do to make money? Tell you what if you all agree to sign a contract to rebuy the pfrpg every year till you die to keep money coming then they can stop making new books.

Or alternately they can keep working on cool toys for everyone to play with and you can just ban the parts you don't want used in your home games.

Liberty's Edge

Odraude wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
mdt wrote:
KnightErrantJR wrote:

I don't always agree with houstonderek 100%, and I don't quite even with his points here, but he's got some points that I agree with, and more than that, I don't really think he said anything that warranted the responses he got.

I'm kind of wondering why when some of us regulars that are pretty civil in our disagreement make comments, we're getting more terse responses than people that are downright rude.

Are we doing it wrong? Would we get more respect if we were just outright jerks?

Personally I found his attacks on anyone who likes anime and japanimation as 'Japanophiles' insulting, especially all but calling half of us creepy 40 yo pedophiles.

I see no reason to be polite to someone who's intentionally posting crap like that. If he can't take it right back, perhaps he should think about what he's posting before he posts it.

Completely agreed. Lumping everybody who likes Japan, anime and the concepts of Ninjas and Samurai together and insulting them to boot is really not civil discourse of any kind. "Flamebaiting" is more like it.

Well, I couldn't let the irony of someone calling people who dislike a domestic phenomenon of people who think Japanese culture > any other culture "xenophobic" when the culture they worship is possibly the most xenophobic culture on the planet go.

Poor trolling effort on my part, sorry for the collateral damage.

I didn't say you were. Just said your statement (which has a very valid argument) was.

Believe it or not, I actually agree with you that the ninja and samurai shouldn't be a base class. I'd prefer to see them as an archetype personally, but I think this alternate class works.

Like I said, I just thought the irony was too much to pass up. And I do apologize again, I really didn't mean for it to go off the rails like that.

Paizo Employee Director of Games

Hey there Folks,

We are going to continue to put out new options for players and GMs. That is the nature of publishing a game. The ninja is one such option. Although not listed with the big optional tag like some other rules systems we have put out, I must remind everyone of the first rule in the core rulebook, found on page 9. This is your game. If you don't want to have a ninja in your game, as GM that is your decision. You should consult with your players about such decisions, but in the end, this game and its rules are yours to do with as you please. That rule is there so that we can present you all the options you can handle, but only use the ones you need to tell the story you want to tell.

That is all. This thread has already crossed a number of lines and is not serving the playtest. This thread is locked.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

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