Like it says in the title, I believe that the ninja ki pool shoulder be Wisdom-based. After all, the cultivation of one's ki (at least in my mind) is done through awareness and sensitivity, not a winning smile...! ;)
I invite others to either agree with me wholeheartedly or persuasively convince me otherwise. I'm good with either.
Like it says in the title, I believe that the ninja ki pool shoulder be Wisdom-based. After all, the cultivation of one's ki (at least in my mind) is done through awareness and sensitivity, not a winning smile...! ;)
I invite others to either agree with me wholeheartedly or persuasively convince me otherwise. I'm good with either.
Normally I would agree, but that would require a ridiculous number of stats for a ninja.
I can see the CHA in the same way I can see it for sorcerer -- it isn't about inner peace -- it's about forcing reality ever so nicely into doing what I told it to do.
I can see the CHA in the same way I can see it for sorcerer -- it isn't about inner peace -- it's about forcing reality ever so nicely into doing what I told it to do.
Reality knew better than to stop a ninja.
I agree that it should all be wisdom based, just go through and change when ever it says cha to wis. Ninja's are the lowest social class in any asian society and should not have high cha, they perform the lowest dirty work and tricks of war and spend little time interacting with people other than their masters or companions. A charasmatic ninja just does not gel with me, it makes no sense.
Other than that niggeling thorn in my side, its a well done class and is more mechanically sound than the ninja from 3.5 (If it stays cha on release i'm having a home errata when i DM where its wis).
Shameless copypaste from a post of mine in another thread:
One could think it this way: Monks seek for insight and inner peace, so their Ki is Wisdom based. Ninjas become ninjas for self-affirmation (revenge, affiliation to a clan..) so their Ki is different, Charisma based - which is quite cool, because make them slightly different from Monks like Sorcerers are from Wizards (roleplaying hook!).
Moreover, a mechanical reason: one could play the Ninja as a kung fu movie black dressed dude, and that's fine.
But one could play a Ninja as a almost always disguised spy and assassin, which you recognize as ninja when it's too late. In that case having the class support your Cha-based skills is very nice :)
But one could play a Ninja as a almost always disguised spy and assassin, which you recognize as ninja when it's too late. In that case having the class support your Cha-based skills is very nice :)
I didn't think about the skills tbh, it does make sense that way round and i think i am happy for it to be cha based but you've got to be careful that the ninja dosen't become the face of the group, that would bug me to no end. I think they shouldn't have diplomacy as a class skill, ninja don't negotiate, they steal, kill and sabotage.
I didn't think about the skills tbh, it does make sense that way round and i think i am happy for it to be cha based but you've got to be careful that the ninja dosen't become the face of the group, that would bug me to no end. I think they shouldn't have diplomacy as a class skill, ninja don't negotiate, they steal, kill and sabotage.But one could play a Ninja as a almost always disguised spy and assassin, which you recognize as ninja when it's too late. In that case having the class support your Cha-based skills is very nice :)
The best assassin is one you happily and willingly let into your building - and who can leave it after the murderan' without anyone blinking.
The best assassin is one you happily and willingly let into your building - and who can leave it after the murderan' without anyone blinking.I didn't think about the skills tbh, it does make sense that way round and i think i am happy for it to be cha based but you've got to be careful that the ninja dosen't become the face of the group, that would bug me to no end. I think they shouldn't have diplomacy as a class skill, ninja don't negotiate, they steal, kill and sabotage.But one could play a Ninja as a almost always disguised spy and assassin, which you recognize as ninja when it's too late. In that case having the class support your Cha-based skills is very nice :)
Yep. This is material for good stories.
It's shocking and surprising discover that the humble/likeeable/funny courtier, apparently inoffensive, it's a freking ninja.
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Counterargument: if you want to play infiltrator, why not play the rogue?
As it stands, we're being handed the 'mystical warrior ninja' archetype. Complete with black pajamas and anachronistic use of the katana. This, to me, does not imply charisma, disguise and infiltration. Quite the opposite: it implies unbreakable will, keen senses, and spiritual discipline at the expense of personality. This popular imagining of the ninja does not smile, let alone have conversations. This sort of ninja is never seen and exists to kill.
So ... I prefer wisdom. It keeps ki consistently-wisdom linked across classes, avoids other problems and leaves more room for the rogue, who will have many reasons to use charisma. And the poor rogue is really crowded in his niche.
I agree with Kegluneq, the rouge is the infiltrator, the ninja is the unseen agent of destruction who has no time for people skills.
I never even noticed a Ninja's Ki was based on Cha until now--and I agree, it makes no sense.
1. If we're basing the Ninja on real-life lore--and I assume we are, otherwise we wouldn't have a Ninja at all--then Ki is inner strength. Not logic/reasoning (Int), not force of personality (Cha), but inner strength (Wis). A Ninja spends time meditating, practicing forms, and honing his senses--not being the life of a party.
2. So what if Ki is based on Wis and Ninja's can't dump it? In case people haven't noticed, Ninja Tricks are pretty amazing. If a Ninja has infinite Ki point per day (and thus Ninja Tricks), then the class is going to be overpowered.