So, would a halfling under the effects of enlarge person be distinguishable from a human? In other words, would he/she look like a human? Or just a really big halfling?
They would look like giant halflings. The proportions are more like children.
So, would a halfling under the effects of enlarge person be distinguishable from a human? In other words, would he/she look like a human? Or just a really big halfling?
I think it would be pretty close, but halflings do still have large furry feet, and I believe their heads and hands are slightly out of proportion as well. Being a different race is only a -2 penalty anyways. Size is the tough one.
Thanks, everyone. That's what I was leaning towards. Now off to make the halfling player cry. Poor baby.
halflings ears in PF are pointed. nuff said.
halflings ears in PF are pointed. nuff said.
So enlarged halflings are pretty much gonna look like elves...
So enlarged halflings are pretty much gonna look like elves...
They'll look a lot more like enlarged halflings. Elves don't have those proportions or features.
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Anyone else remembering Giant Boy Detective from Venture Brothers?
Possibly even weirder with gnomes. ;)
Halfling: What?
Human: It's just uncomfortable. It's weird. You look too much like...you know...for comfort.
Halfling: Oh, the size difference? Don't worry! Imma wizard!
Human: ...see now it's just weirder.
So enlarged halflings are pretty much gonna look like elves...They'll look a lot more like enlarged halflings. Elves don't have those proportions or features.
They pretty much do by the art work...
The only significant difference is the shape of their heads.
They pretty much do by the art work...
The only significant difference is the shape of their heads.
I've been thinking of vacationing in crazyland. What's the weather like this time of year?
I've been thinking of vacationing in crazyland. What's the weather like this time of year?They pretty much do by the art work...
The only significant difference is the shape of their heads.
It's raining marshmellows at the moment. You should hurry though, the teddybears will soon arrive with the tonic, and then we are leaving on the ship of many colours.
halflings bodies are similar to humans, except smaller, where as their ears are pointed like an elfs. if anything, a halfling will look more like a half elf then anything else, but a weird half elf at that with their hairy feet. either way youre still gonna have to make a disguise check to pull it off.
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Anyone else remembering Giant Boy Detective from Venture Brothers?
Possibly even weirder with gnomes. ;)
** spoiler omitted **
Oh man that is a great image! Venture brothers is quite entertaining. I remember an episode they used a shrink ray on the boy genius however, I believe it shrunk only his lungs lol.
On topic: If halflings have child-like features would an enlarged halfing then look like a teen? If your player is real sore about the whole thing point out the feats in the APG for halflings.I think a bonus for passing as a teenage human would be in order if they had the feat.
If your player is real sore about the whole thing point out the feats in the APG for halflings.
No, he's not sore about it. Due to the eccentricities of the particular campaign world, being able to pass as human would be an advantage in certain social interactions. He's the party's face, but occasionally is sidelined due to his character's race.
He and the party wizard are trying to get around that, as social interactions are very important to the campaign. And, for the record, I support the attempt. They've been very tolerant of the limitations so far (which is entirely "fluff" based, i.e. GM caveat), but like any good players are trying to find a way around it in order to allow the Halfling to be more effective. Again, seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Enlarge Person in conjunction with the APG feat that allows a halfling to pass as a human child would probably get an auto-pass from me, but I'm fairly lenient when it comes to things like that. Without the feat, I'll probably go with a -2 to disguise check for the "other race" penalty.
And thanks for the input. Feel free to continue.
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Y'know, a simple cloak/covering clothing solution that left only his face visible and obscured his symmetry, maybe coupled with enlarge person and an average Disguise check, could possibly do in a pinch as well. He would likely have to adhere to possibly peculiar fashion choices while doing so, but it's a fantasy world. There have to be some eccentric styles he could pass himself off as using.
What's his class? Any spellcaster(even a dabbler) has plenty of excuse to dress oddly right out the gate. :)
I'm kind of imagining attire along the lines of Tony DiTerlizzi's wilder stuff from Planescape; fancy robes and whatnot that obscure everything but the face. Could be a dainty elven woman on the inside, but she's wearing what seems to be Hammer Pants for pants AND Hammer Pants for sleeves that go all the way up to her head. Stuff like that.
I'm taking a look at the table in the Additional Rules section which discusses heights and weights for the various races.
Humans range between 4'7" (minimum sized female) to 6'6" (maximum sized male) and between 95 lbs and 320 lbs (respectively). Halflings are between 2'8" and 3'4" tall and weight between 27 and 38 lbs. This gives you an average human being 5'7" at 208 lbs. Your average halfling is 3', 33 lbs.
Applying the height/weight modifiers from Enlarge person, the average enlarge halfling is 6', 264 lbs. That's a pretty big human. Way above average. So you run into the issue that a "halfling's ears are pointed, but proportionately not much larger than those of a human", meaning that they would have elf or half-elf ears. Elves and half-elves are even smaller than humans, on average (Elf: 5'11", 122 lbs; half-elf: 5'5", 145lbs). A half-orc is 5'8", 221 lbs, in case you planned to paint your giant halfling green.
So, I'm going to have to call shenanigans on enlarge person making you look like one of the medium sized peoples. It's an interesting idea, and it would get rid of that annoying -10 penalty to a disguise check for being the wrong size category, leaving you with just a -2 for being the wrong race. The halfing racial bonus to Charisma also goes some way to mitigating this too.
...in case you planned to paint your giant halfling green.
HA! They are about to get involved with a half-orc/orc-blooded merc company....
Apart from the hairy feet, he'd look like an odd stocky human with somewhat pointed ears. There are people who look like that in reality without even being enlarged halflings.
If he said he was quarter elf on his mother's side and an eighth orc on his father's side, most people would probably blink and shrug, as that would adequately explain why there's a tall stocky guy with slightly pointed ears standing there.
He could even make up some crap about how he got lucky. His sister is frail and willowy with an elfin build but has green skin and tusks with rounded human ears. Complete BS, but the sort of thing that would actually happen.
Stuff like this would happen a lot more often than the mongrelmen with gnoll heads and lobster claws mixed with goblin legs and orc torsos.
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I'm taking a look at the table in the Additional Rules section which discusses heights and weights for the various races.
Humans range between 4'7" (minimum sized female) to 6'6" (maximum sized male) and between 95 lbs and 320 lbs (respectively). Halflings are between 2'8" and 3'4" tall and weight between 27 and 38 lbs. This gives you an average human being 5'7" at 208 lbs. Your average halfling is 3', 33 lbs.
Applying the height/weight modifiers from Enlarge person, the average enlarge halfling is 6', 264 lbs. That's a pretty big human. Way above average. So you run into the issue that a "halfling's ears are pointed, but proportionately not much larger than those of a human", meaning that they would have elf or half-elf ears. Elves and half-elves are even smaller than humans, on average (Elf: 5'11", 122 lbs; half-elf: 5'5", 145lbs). A half-orc is 5'8", 221 lbs, in case you planned to paint your giant halfling green.
So, I'm going to have to call shenanigans on enlarge person making you look like one of the medium sized peoples. It's an interesting idea, and it would get rid of that annoying -10 penalty to a disguise check for being the wrong size category, leaving you with just a -2 for being the wrong race. The halfing racial bonus to Charisma also goes some way to mitigating this too.
Time for some necromancy, as you touched on one of my pet peeves with Pathfinder vs. previous versions.
In older editions of Dungeons and Dragons, Enlarge Person and Reduce Person were a bit longer in how they work.
Small -----> Medium = x4
Medium ----> Large = x8
Large -----> Huge = x12
Etc.
Which, if you look is the rules for increasing in size from the Monster Manual/Bestiary. However, I don't recall if it was changed in 3.5 or just in Pathfinder, but now the spell just is a flat x8 or /8. Which makes your average size halfling become a very overweight human, or your average size human become an anorexic halfling.
So, in my home games at least, I use the darn size table and the weights end up like they should be.
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I'm taking a look at the table in the Additional Rules section which discusses heights and weights for the various races.
Humans range between 4'7" (minimum sized female) to 6'6" (maximum sized male) and between 95 lbs and 320 lbs (respectively). Halflings are between 2'8" and 3'4" tall and weight between 27 and 38 lbs. This gives you an average human being 5'7" at 208 lbs. Your average halfling is 3', 33 lbs.
Applying the height/weight modifiers from Enlarge person, the average enlarge halfling is 6', 264 lbs. That's a pretty big human. Way above average. So you run into the issue that a "halfling's ears are pointed, but proportionately not much larger than those of a human", meaning that they would have elf or half-elf ears. Elves and half-elves are even smaller than humans, on average (Elf: 5'11", 122 lbs; half-elf: 5'5", 145lbs). A half-orc is 5'8", 221 lbs, in case you planned to paint your giant halfling green.
So, I'm going to have to call shenanigans on enlarge person making you look like one of the medium sized peoples. It's an interesting idea, and it would get rid of that annoying -10 penalty to a disguise check for being the wrong size category, leaving you with just a -2 for being the wrong race. The halfing racial bonus to Charisma also goes some way to mitigating this too.
Time for some necromancy, as you touched on one of my pet peeves with Pathfinder vs. previous versions.
In older editions of Dungeons and Dragons, Enlarge Person and Reduce Person were a bit longer in how they work.
Small -----> Medium = x4
Medium ----> Large = x8
Large -----> Huge = x12Etc.
Which, if you look is the rules for increasing in size from the Monster Manual/Bestiary. However, I don't recall if it was changed in 3.5 or just in Pathfinder, but now the spell just is a flat x8 or /8. Which makes your average size halfling become a very overweight human, or your average size human become an anorexic halfling.
So, in my home games at least, I use the...
No. You don't grow fat. You're just more dense. Just like if you pick up a ping pong ball and a rock they can weigh different--they can be the same size.
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No. You don't grow fat. You're just more dense. Just like if you pick up a ping pong ball and a rock they can weigh different--they can be the same size.
Well, again in previous editions Enlarge and Reduce used the size table. They changed it for convenience to just make it a set x8 I guess but that's why I still feel it makes more sense to use the size chart.
Also, I specifically didn't say fat, I said overweight. If you weigh more than you should for your size you are overweight. You don't have to be 'fat' to be technically overweight. As for the ping pong ball vs. rock... I find that analogy nonsensical as you are comparing plastic vs. stone... humans vs. halflings, both are flesh and bone.
I think the x8 comes from 'twice as high, twice as wide, twice as thick', which all add up to x8. Works fine for cubes. Haven't measured on cylinders tho. And yes, density will rear its head too. Bones that work fine in a 3' halfling need a little more help on a 6' frame, I think.
That said, I'd actually leave a little variance in the spell. Not enough for game mechanics to refigure but for RP stuff I'd allow it. (Such as if someone cast Enlarge Person on our barbarian ... who stands 5' in decent boots and weighs 110 soaking wet. Maybe she'd be 9'10" enlarged ... )
For disguise? I'd agree with alleviating the size issue but the race remaining. (Along with the other stuff available to reduce it.) And a party face should have some stuff available, including the earlier-mentioned BS, to help with things too.
Just use a Greater Hat of Disguise
