Bulls' stats

[Beek Gwenders of Croodle]

I am playing the lost caverns of Tsojcanth, and my PCs are heading into a maze inhabited by two minotaurs that ride two bulls.
Are there any stats done for bulls? If not PF, 3.5 stats are ok.

[eirip]

Beek Gwenders of Croodle wrote:

I am playing the lost caverns of Tsojcanth, and my PCs are heading into a maze inhabited by two minotaurs that ride two bulls.

Are there any stats done for bulls? If not PF, 3.5 stats are ok.

Ah I remember that module. Very tough. Played and gm it 20 some years ago.

[Howie23]

Beek Gwenders of Croodle wrote:

I am playing the lost caverns of Tsojcanth, and my PCs are heading into a maze inhabited by two minotaurs that ride two bulls.

Are there any stats done for bulls? If not PF, 3.5 stats are ok.

If nothing comes up, maybe use the bison stats?

[Ross Byers]

Bison stats should be used for most domestic cattle.

If you apply the Giant and/or Advanced simple templates from the bestiary, you should get the tougher Alpha-bull stats you're looking for.

[coyote6]

Ross Byers wrote:

Bison stats should be used for most domestic cattle.

If you apply the Giant and/or Advanced simple templates from the bestiary, you should get the tougher Alpha-bull stats you're looking for.

That reminds me -- why is the aurochs wimpier than the bison in the Bestiary? Aurochs were bigger than regular cattle, and if bison stats are for regular cattle, then regular cattle are meaner than 2 meter high wild bulls. Which seems odd.

[Demiurge 1138]

coyote6 wrote:

Ross Byers wrote:

Bison stats should be used for most domestic cattle.

If you apply the Giant and/or Advanced simple templates from the bestiary, you should get the tougher Alpha-bull stats you're looking for.

That reminds me -- why is the aurochs wimpier than the bison in the Bestiary? Aurochs were bigger than regular cattle, and if bison stats are for regular cattle, then regular cattle are meaner than 2 meter high wild bulls. Which seems odd.

I just use the "aurochs" stats for regular cattle and the bison stats for wild bulls. Including aurochs.

[TwilightKnight]

LOL, when I read this thread title, I though about the stats for the Chicago Bulls. ;-)

[Beek Gwenders of Croodle]

Ross Byers wrote:

Bison stats should be used for most domestic cattle.

If you apply the Giant and/or Advanced simple templates from the bestiary, you should get the tougher Alpha-bull stats you're looking for.

Thank you.

Advanced giant bisons with advanced giant minotaur fighters on top!

[Whited Sepulcher]

Beek Gwenders of Croodle wrote:

I am playing the lost caverns of Tsojcanth, and my PCs are heading into a maze inhabited by two minotaurs that ride two bulls.

Are there any stats done for bulls? If not PF, 3.5 stats are ok.

I... reading this... sorry, my mind is just in the gutter... *laughing hysterically*

...must be due to the early morning and no coffee yet...