Does a crafter have to be a certain level to make say a Belt of Giant Strength +4?
I know he has to have the feat so he must be at least 3rd level, but I have someone telling me that in order to craft the aforementioned item, a character had to be 12th level (bonus x 3).
Is this right?
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Does a crafter have to be a certain level to make say a Belt of Giant Strength +4?
I know he has to have the feat so he must be at least 3rd level, but I have someone telling me that in order to craft the aforementioned item, a character had to be 12th level (bonus x 3).
Is this right?
No, having the feat is sufficient. If looking for why he might think that, there were campaign-specific rules like this in Living Greyhawk, or he might be overgeneralizing from the weapon/armor/cloak of protection rules.
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Does a crafter have to be a certain level to make say a Belt of Giant Strength +4?
I know he has to have the feat so he must be at least 3rd level, but I have someone telling me that in order to craft the aforementioned item, a character had to be 12th level (bonus x 3).
Is this right?
I never really fully understood the CL requirements for most items. Like Belt of Giant Strength has a CL of 8. Bull's Strentgh can be cast by 3rd lvl wizard or cleric, 4th level sorcerer, or 8th lvl paladin. Maybe they use the level of whatever spellcaster gets the spell last...
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No, I think it's more about balance.
Consider the Pearl of Power which is CL 17. Pretty silly, right? Except what GM wants a low-level spellcaster running around creating these things and handing them out to everyone!? It's bad enough that the description doesn't say that you can only use one PoP at a time. (It's implied by the fact that there's a single pearl that gives spell slots of two different levels -- why would you need that if you could use more than one PoP?)
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No, I think it's more about balance.
Consider the Pearl of Power which is CL 17. Pretty silly, right? Except what GM wants a low-level spellcaster running around creating these things and handing them out to everyone!? It's bad enough that the description doesn't say that you can only use one PoP at a time. (It's implied by the fact that there's a single pearl that gives spell slots of two different levels -- why would you need that if you could use more than one PoP?)
I can see your point but some of it seems silly to me. I have to wait till 20th lvl to make sovereign glue but it's countered by universal solvent that i can make at 3rd
The caster level listed for MOST magic items is NOT listed in the requirements section. That is there for the DM as a generic guideline for how hard the item is to dispel or to determine overall power level for detect magic, Identify and the like.
Here is a LINK to the FAQ with some more info.
Unfortunately, that does lead to the odd situation where a 3rd level cleric can create a necklace of fireballs, one of which does 10d6.
Unfortunately, that does lead to the odd situation where a 3rd level cleric can create a necklace of fireballs, one of which does 10d6.
Yes and they would need to make a Spellcraft DC check of 5 (base) +10 (Caster Level) +5 (No Fireball) +5 (Not 10th Level) For a final DC of 25 and if you fail you loose all your money... if you fail by more then 5 you also get a cursed item. (plus they need about 4k gold pieces.)
Lots of things are possible when making magic items, especially if you focus all of your feats, skills, and abilities into making them. And even at that point the DM has to allow you to find enough money to afford making the stuff.
So really all the complaining about how easy it is for players to get UBER gear with magic item creation is not very realistic unless the DM allows it to happen. And even if they get the gold, they have hampered their character to be able to hit REALLY high spellcraft DC's for their level.
Yes and they would need to make a Spellcraft DC check of 5 (base) +10 (Caster Level) +5 (No Fireball) +5 (Not 10th Level) For a final DC of 25 and if you fail you loose all your money... if you fail by more then 5 you also get a cursed item. (plus they need about 4k gold pieces.)
Shouldn't it be DC of 20? 10th level is not a requirement for creation.
I put that in there due to not being high enough level for the 10d6 of the fireball... otherwise it would cap at 3d6. But I can see how you could make the arguement it is lower.
I normally use the CL as one of the requirements, otherwise the crafting feats are too powerfull (Of course there are some exceptions, like CL 17th for a spellstoring weapon...).
Of course there are some exceptions, like CL 17th for a spellstoring weapon...
And the Pearl of Power for 1st level. CL 17 for an item that costs 500g to craft. Brutal.
Does a crafter have to be a certain level to make say a Belt of Giant Strength +4?
What would the DC check be for an item like that any way if a sorcere without being able to cast Bull's Strength? Say he were 5th level with the proper feats.
CL 8, +10 for item creation, + 5 for not meeting CL of the item, +5 for not meeting BS prerequisiet.
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Look up the errata for magic item creation. CLs are not requirements, and can be made into just about anything by the caster, minimum CL being the minimum level needed to cast the most powerful spell on the requirement list, or in the case of bonuses, go with CL3 * the bonus for weapons and armor, etc etc. Example.. Item X requires the spells mage armor, bulls strength, and fireball... as fireball is the highest level spell in that requirement list, at level 3, you would need to make the item at a minimum CL of 5. The maximum CL you can make an item at is your CL. That does not mean you cannot make a Pearl of Power until 17th level, it means you can make it CL3 up to CL(your level).
So if that is true, you could make Belt of Giant Strength +4 at CL 3 and make the check a WHOOOOOLE lot easier, huh?
Smells fishy. Not sure about that.
Look up the errata for magic item creation. CLs are not requirements, and can be made into just about anything by the caster, minimum CL being the minimum level needed to cast the most powerful spell on the requirement list, or in the case of bonuses, go with CL3 * the bonus for weapons and armor, etc etc. Example.. Item X requires the spells mage armor, bulls strength, and fireball... as fireball is the highest level spell in that requirement list, at level 3, you would need to make the item at a minimum CL of 5. The maximum CL you can make an item at is your CL. That does not mean you cannot make a Pearl of Power until 17th level, it means you can make it CL3 up to CL(your level).
PS = Do not forget that CL is also the minimum level need for the Item creation feat that is need. (examples = 3rd level for potions, 9th level for rods, 11th level for staffs).
PS = Do not forget that CL is also the minimum level need for the Item creation feat that is need. (examples = 3rd level for potions, 9th level for rods, 11th level for staffs).
Not according to SKR's quote (in the post above). He uses the example of a CL1 PoP.