What would you want to see in an arch magus prestige class for pathfinder??
or does magus 20 pretty much do it all?
i was thinking about a prestige that requires a level or sorceror, works like mystic theurge (for the spells of both classes) and adds spontaneous casting to the character, but never gets medium or heavy armor...
any comments?
What would you want to see in an arch magus prestige class for pathfinder??
or does magus 20 pretty much do it all?i was thinking about a prestige that requires a level or sorceror, works like mystic theurge (for the spells of both classes) and adds spontaneous casting to the character, but never gets medium or heavy armor...
any comments?
I'm not sure I understand the concept of such a class...It would be "more magus than magus"? Then It would have to be "more [(fighter+wizard/2)+synergy tricks] than [(fighter+wizard/2)+synergy tricks]". What would that be, a wizard/fighter gestalt with similar or more synergy features?
I'm not sure I understand the concept of such a class...It would be "more magus than magus"? Then It would have to be "more [(fighter+wizard/2)+synergy tricks] than [(fighter+wizard/2)+synergy tricks]". What would that be, a wizard/fighter gestalt with similar or more synergy features?What would you want to see in an arch magus prestige class for pathfinder??
or does magus 20 pretty much do it all?i was thinking about a prestige that requires a level or sorceror, works like mystic theurge (for the spells of both classes) and adds spontaneous casting to the character, but never gets medium or heavy armor...
any comments?
well an arch devil is more devil than devil.
but to tell you the truth thats how i feel about PrCs like horizon walker, its just a different ranger path for the ranger or pathfinder chronicler, dont really hold a candle to other PrCs.
figured id start a thread for this here, rather than in magus archetypes, where people want to change the magus completely (ie make a spontaneous casting version, or make an archtype that only gets light armor but mroe spells) just sounded to me more like a prestige than an archetype.
An arch devil is just a devil with enough levels. An "archmagus" is just a magus with enough levels.
I don't see the need for an arch anything PrC in Pathfinder. Higher levels take care of that. Prestige classes that are better at being the very thing a base class is (high priest, archwizard, champion fighter, master rogue, whatever) should not exist.
Pathfinder has taken care of this by making it worth to pursue base classes all the way to the top.
Horizon walker is not even close to being an archranger. It's a specialised concept they felt isn't possible with ranger alone.
That having been said: I expect the magus to come with enough class abilities (including a decent list of arcana) to satisfy a wide number of paths for them to go. Fill up as needed with archetypes, but that's it.
I like the way Paizo treats PrCs: they're basically for special, prestigious occupations, usually tied to some faction (i.e. a religion, organisation, nation, or the like).
I'd rather have base classes (supplemented by archetypes and feats) that are good enough to cover everything between them.
I think PF2.0 will no longer have PrCs as we know them now. Maybe there will be prestige archetypes, or something that is part archetype, part feat tree. If Paizo feels like experimenting, they should rather start in on that concept.
prestige archetypes would only be available to a character after he has gained some prerequisites (which should always include something that isn't expressed in game mechanics), maybe including a basic feat. After that they'd replace (or improve) class abilities (the improvement part would be mainly if you get the later feats in that chain, which require you to have the prestige archetype).
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Given that Paizo didn't bother with the archmage because they think it's pointless to have a prestige class that's the same thing as a base class, but better, I'd imagine that the same sentiment would apply to arch-magus. Or uber-fighter. Or anything stupid like that.
Basically, if you'd be stupid not to take levels in the prestige class, then it shouldn't have been created.
Given that Paizo didn't bother with the archmage because they think it's pointless to have a prestige class that's the same thing as a base class, but better, I'd imagine that the same sentiment would apply to arch-magus. Or uber-fighter. Or anything stupid like that.
Basically, if you'd be stupid not to take levels in the prestige class, then it shouldn't have been created.
making archetypes that substantially change the base class doesnt make sense either (ie spontaneous casting magus, light armor magus with more spells) its not longer that base class, its something else... otherwise, sorcerer would be a wizard archetype.
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making archetypes that substantially change the base class doesnt make sense either (ie spontaneous casting magus, light armor magus with more spells) its not longer that base class, its something else... otherwise, sorcerer would be a wizard archetype.
Frankly, if the concept of archtypes had been around at the start of PFRPG and there was no bother with backwards compatibility issues, I think that sorcerer might have taken the form of an archtype. As sorcerers currently exist in PFRPG, with the bloodline powers, etc, it's a far more substantial change than any of the archtypes, however.
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The main point of a prestige class which evolves directly from a base class is generally specialisation.
So it would come out to this. What feature of the magus would you want to refine, and at what cost to the rest of the abilities?
Seems to me there are three paths to take with a 'Prestige Magus'
The main point of a prestige class which evolves directly from a base class is generally specialisation.
So it would come out to this. What feature of the magus would you want to refine, and at what cost to the rest of the abilities?
Id didnt start the thread so much for what "I" wanted to see, as much as I heard alot of people saying "make a spontaneous casting magus archetype" or "make a two weapon fighting magus archetype" etc etc.
see to me the flavor of the magus is something i was going to do with a free hand fighter archeytpe/wizard/ek.... more or less inspired by a)drawings of seltyiel and b) old world Basic DnD ELF class (when everyone either had a shield OR a free hand.
so i just turned my would be EK into a magus to give it a whirl in serpents skull.
i like characters with weakness built in (prefer batman over superman)
making spontaneous casting maguses, or two weapon fighting ones to me makes something NOT magus, not a magus archetype...changes the character.
Soooo, I was thinking a spontaneous casting or two weapon fighting magus would fit into some kind of prestige.
for the spontaneous casting magus, it would go something like a dragon disciple, just pick up a level of spontaneous arcane caster and maybe sacrifice BAB, and future class abilites for spont casting.
Two weapon magus (which i personally think is dumb), i dunno... i kinda started the thread because A) i was bored and wanted something more to read and B) was hoping some of the people who were posting about two weapon and spontaneous casting maguses would post their ideas here so i could read them.
spontaneous casting two weapon fighting maguses wouldnt be a magus to me. Id hate it, would play it and to me it changes the class way too much, archetypes are supposed to give flavor and flair.
doing something like druken master of the fourwinds and mountain (which is kinda woa) doesnt essentially CHANGE the monk.
a magus is someone devoted to studying two classes and mixing them.
spontaneous casters dont study.
and im so tired of everyone always having two weapon fighting these days and that dumb feat tree trap, I was looking for something to do with the other hand besides stuff another weapon in it, and free hand fighter/magus brought that around
(I never thought you got enough benefit out of duelist to NOT use two weapons...and duelist seems so stupid without a rapier AND a dagger, i think that SHOULD be a TWF prestige)