Charge and Trip possible?


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Can a trip be substituted for the melee attack in a charge, and does the +2 for charge get added to the CMB of the tripper?


Yes; a Combat Maneuver roll can take any attack roll, such as at the end of a charge. The conditional modifiers of the charge also apply.


Kilbourne wrote:
Yes; a Combat Maneuver roll can take any attack roll, such as at the end of a charge. The conditional modifiers of the charge also apply.

Does the tripper get an AO if they don't have improved trip? I know if you charge you don't get an AO even from a reach opponent.


Aretas - I'm not sure who you mean between tripper (the one who trips) and the tripped/trippee/target (the one who ends up prone), so I will answer as best I can.

I think in both cases (the target either has or does not have a reach weapon), the attacker without Imp. Trip has to soak an attack of opportunity.


Aretas wrote:
Kilbourne wrote:
Yes; a Combat Maneuver roll can take any attack roll, such as at the end of a charge. The conditional modifiers of the charge also apply.
Does the tripper get an AO if they don't have improved trip? I know if you charge you don't get an AO even from a reach opponent.

The fact of charging doesn't draw an AO, but anything else do or should, it has been discussed before, but I think that you will understand it when you read that small piece of text: Corerule Book, Pag 183, Table 8-2, Note #1.

Btw Note #6 in that table also tells you that you can perform that kind of maneuver when charging.
I know, it is hard to notice, but it isn't an error.

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PathfinderEspañol wrote:
Aretas wrote:
Kilbourne wrote:
Yes; a Combat Maneuver roll can take any attack roll, such as at the end of a charge. The conditional modifiers of the charge also apply.
Does the tripper get an AO if they don't have improved trip? I know if you charge you don't get an AO even from a reach opponent.

The fact of charging doesn't draw an AO, but anything else do or should, it has been discussed before, but I think that you will understand it when you read that small piece of text: Corerule Book, Pag 183, Table 8-2, Note #1.

Btw Note #6 in that table also tells you that you can perform that kind of maneuver when charging.
I know, it is hard to notice, but it isn't an error.

Dude, that note #6 on page 183 answers so many questions and is quite clear, I only wish paizo had put that in the actual description of combat maneuvers. Thank you.

Edited to include the text from the PRD (my emph):

"Some combat maneuvers substitute for a melee attack, not an action. As melee attacks, they can be used once in an attack or charge action, one or more times in a full-attack action, or even as an attack of opportunity. Others are used as a separate action."


Kotja wrote:
PathfinderEspañol wrote:
Aretas wrote:
Kilbourne wrote:
Yes; a Combat Maneuver roll can take any attack roll, such as at the end of a charge. The conditional modifiers of the charge also apply.
Does the tripper get an AO if they don't have improved trip? I know if you charge you don't get an AO even from a reach opponent.

The fact of charging doesn't draw an AO, but anything else do or should, it has been discussed before, but I think that you will understand it when you read that small piece of text: Corerule Book, Pag 183, Table 8-2, Note #1.

Btw Note #6 in that table also tells you that you can perform that kind of maneuver when charging.
I know, it is hard to notice, but it isn't an error.

Dude, that note #6 on page 183 answers so many questions and is quite clear, I only wish paizo had put that in the actual description of combat maneuvers. Thank you.

Edited to include the text from the PRD (my emph):

"Some combat maneuvers substitute for a melee attack, not an action. As melee attacks, they can be used once in an attack or charge action, one or more times in a full-attack action, or even as an attack of opportunity. Others are used as a separate action."

So am I wrong in assuming that on a full attack you can perform say three trip attempts if you normally have that many attacks?


Aretas wrote:
Kilbourne wrote:

I know if you charge you don't get an AO even from a reach opponent.

I don't believe this statement is correct. If you look at footnote 1 you'll notice it says:

"Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened
square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This
column indicates whether the action itself, not moving,
provokes an attack of opportunity."

One of the reasons to use a reach weapon is to get an attack in when someone charges you.

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