This was originally in PbP Discussions, but it was suggested I move it here.
Go on to any thread, blog post, article that debates the pros and cons of Fourth Edition and Wizards of the Coast, and I can all but guarantee that how Wizards of the Coast "nuked the Realms" as one of the reasons against 4E.
You'll probably also see that 4E can only play "one kind of game" as another reason its an "inferior system," especially in the always raging 4e vs. PFRPG debate.
I should know, oft. times I'm the first one two shout out either of these facts.
But the thing is I love the Realms, I've been in love with them ever since a buddy of mine in grade 10 passed me a book called "Homeland" and I met Drizzt Do'Urden. The realms are where my first campaign (both as a player and as a DM) took place.
And I do have to admit, while I think it was a bad decision to do to a public brand with as big of a following as the Realms have, from a story telling perspective, the SpellPlague has potential.
So here's the idea. I'm thinking about running a forgotten Realms game using the Pathfinder rules. Unlike other PFRPG Realms game I have seen, it would take place after the Spellplague.
The History wouldn't match up exactly, but it'd be close to cannon, though I think maybe I'll set it only a few years after it instead of a century.
Again, I'm not sure. I'm looking for input and opinions on the idea.
In the original thead, a poster manages the spellplague as being the deal breaker. Well I could make a different Realms where the Spellplague didn't happen. In that case, How would the Realms evolve?
I have a story idea, one I think is actually pretty good. As is, it involves the Spellplague, but that could easily be tweaked.
So what do you guys think?
Wow, this sounds quite cool. I would definetly be in, if this were to happen.
Spellplague though was quite critical point in Forgotten Realms, twisting the world and causing different factions raise in power and others fall down.
Well, in far future (huge fan of Salvatore, reading the books):
EDIT: As Fatty said: Got also all FR books, so would be glad to help you with this :)
Hello Rennick,
I love FR I have all the books and would be more than happy to dive into this one as a Wizard. Happy to provide you with any info from books or assist with converting things if need be.
I like the idea of it being in or around the spellplague. Wizards didn't publish much gaming info about the SP. So it's an open book really. But I think there is an exciting adventure to be had as the SP kicks off and all he'll breaks loose.
I'ld love too, read only a few books, and know the FR almost only by the Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights game series, and from all the table top games i took part over the years. Plus, i have tons of game materials (3 and 3,5 ) on the FR. I'ld like to play a tank ( yes i know i already said it elsewhere )
I'd also like some kind of plot with the harpers too!!
Does the fact i'm of the same nationality as Salvatore add me some credit ? :)
I'd also like some kind of plot with the harpers!
- "I am afraid we have a dire situation in our hands..."
- "What you mean? What happened?"
- "The chicken... has escaped"
- "Chicken... you mean chicken has escaped... I am going back to sleep"
- "Yes... a chicken... well, technically a chicken... but realistically, 3 meter tall chicken, who can spit fire from its mouth and think it´s dragon"
- "... I see..."
We'd be using the PFRPG rules, APG is definitely allowed, only thing we would be taking from the Realms books is the Lore, and even that I plan on changing.
Yes I will be making campaign traits, though I haven't started since I'm not sure about the campaign yet.
also not sure what level we would start at. probably 1, but maybe 3
Definitely interested, although, my source books are at a friends place atm, i can use the SRDs for anything Pathfinder, and i can get my hands on any books needed for anything else by this saturday.
if its a yes, then a Wild Elf Ranger with 2 weapon fighting as my chosen route would probably be my choice for a character.
ill flesh it out now, but if i need any specific FR books, please tell me so that i can pick them up.
Maybe I missed something, and if so I apologize, but why not just use the 3.x campaign setting? Things you would need to convert races, prestige classes, and the few unique monsters would be fairly minimal, IMO.
If you just want to do something different, great---I'm just wondering what your goals are in doing this.
If you want an "alternate future" one thing to do is look at the Chronicle of Years--every year has a special name that somehow hints at significant events during the year, and IIRC the 3.x Campaign Setting lists the years into "the future."
Maybe I missed something, and if so I apologize, but why not just use the 3.x campaign setting? Things you would need to convert races, prestige classes, and the few unique monsters would be fairly minimal, IMO.
If you just want to do something different, great---I'm just wondering what your goals are in doing this.
The logic's a little convoluted, but I'll see if I can get it to make sense.
The first is that for a single campaign, a realms shaking event can easily be a good thing for a campaign. my last Realms Campaign revolved around the Dragon God Tiamat launching a war on the Sword Coast, (well actually the whole world, but the focus was on that area.
My problem with the Spellplague is that is feels like its main reason for being is that they felt the Realms didn't "fit" the new rules. My other problem is that its an entirely different for me to nuke my Realms, than it is for the company to nuke everyone's Realms.
Another aspect of this came from the fact that I truly believe that the Pathfinder system can facilitate any roleplaying setting, I'd like to see how the Realms handles, and shunting it into the future gives me some room to breathe.
But honestly, the main reason is that a couple days ago I was thinking about how much I enjoyed the Ghost King, and how the Spellplague tied into that, and started thinking of other stories that would come from that.
And one came to me, one that actually springs from one of the changes that I disliked the most... but since this is just my game, I think it could lead to a great storyline. Won't say anymore about that.
I'll admit up front, my game won't be "the 4e Realms" I won't have Dragonborn (least as a PC race) because I have no stats for it, and I also plan on setting the game about 10 years after it happened, not 100. So I guess I don't want to use our system in their game, but I want to take my own crack at how the Realms would shape.
Well I am up this and happy to provide all the help I can.
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Count me in as interested, I know the FR from some novels, from NWN, and I have run a 4e game in FR last year. I'd also be willing to help out however you may need help. And of the things that have been said already, it looks like we may need some divine....
I'm thinking either an Oracle or a Paladin, not sure yet.
Hmm, I've been a dm in the realms since 2nd edition, and I've always enjoyed the experience, my one regret about the realms was that it was very much "my" world, the other dm's used Greyhawk, Mystara and Dragonlance instead, so I never got a chance to experience the realms through the eyes of a player, as such this sounds like an interesting idea to me. If it comes of the ground I'd like to try and be a part of it.
Alrighty then, I'd say there's definitely enough interest to warrant making this a reality.
I'm going to spend some time getting ideas together, as well as a very basic idea of the history and some character traits. On that note, anyone have any preferences on where their backgrounds are from? just wondering
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Alrighty then, I'd say there's definitely enough interest to warrant making this a reality.
I'm going to spend some time getting ideas together, as well as a very basic idea of the history and some character traits. On that note, anyone have any preferences on where their backgrounds are from? just wondering
I have an interest in playing a Ghostwise Halfling, most likely a Druid. If that's too obscure, I'm otherwise pretty flexible and know the setting rather well, so I can adapt. A Hathran would be rather fun to play in PF as a Witch, too.
I have an interest in playing a Ghostwise Halfling, most likely a Druid. If that's too obscure, I'm otherwise pretty flexible and know the setting rather well, so I can adapt. A Hathran would be rather fun to play in PF as a Witch, too.Alrighty then, I'd say there's definitely enough interest to warrant making this a reality.
I'm going to spend some time getting ideas together, as well as a very basic idea of the history and some character traits. On that note, anyone have any preferences on where their backgrounds are from? just wondering
the various subtypes of the races will be flavor, most likely with the option to take a trait that I'll work up later.
IE: if someone wants to play a moon-elf, they play an elf, and possibly get a trait that allows them to be better with swords, or maybe gives the option to have a moonblade.
I don't know too much abuout Rashemen, Aren't the Hathran their ruling class?
Hm.. thinking about Human Rogue (from Vaasa)
I'm still interested, even thou i'm having seriuos connection issues :(
My concepts tend toward male human fighter or female high elf bard ( but again, various elf races have no different racial stats in PF not sure how this will be handled )
the various subtypes of the races will be flavor, most likely with the option to take a trait that I'll work up later.IE: if someone wants to play a moon-elf, they play an elf, and possibly get a trait that allows them to be better with swords, or maybe gives the option to have a moonblade.
So Gandal, if you play moon-elf or something: Rennick will make a trait to you, so you will be unique "resembling" the subtype race
I'll be a Human Wizard from Waterdeep.
Yes, Rashemen is ruled by the Hathran and their strong arm is the Iron King who leads the armies, but as far as I recall he still answers to them, some people (Like the Thayans) describe it a bit like him being their pet dog.
Hmmm, well I'm leaning towards either a fighter/rogue Northman from the Moonshae island or a Thetyrian bard from...well from Tethyr haha.
Ok human wizard or an alchemist I am going towards alchemist :)))
Alright guys, here's what I have so far, (for you to ponder)
For story purposes, the party will need a wizard. It's completely cool if no one wants to play a wizard, I can easily work in an NPC. Let me also reassure that while the wizard will be vital, I have no interest in playing a "one hero, 4 support" kind of game.
The world will be fairly similar to that presented in the 4e Realms, from a geographical standpoint. That said most of the major changes are in places I don't really feel like using, so it may be a moot point.
The game will take place between 10 to 20 years after the Spellplague.
Unless I come to a major change, 90% chance the game will start in Shadowdale.
Overall I do think this storyline will work better for good-aligned characters, or at least neutral with a tendency of good. Honestly when I picture the party, its a young group. But that's in my head, we'll see how it goes.
thinking a party of 5,
Going to try to make campaign traits that give each character a reason to be there, but not sure how well it'll work out. if it gets to be too complicated, I'll ask the people chosen to help me get a shared background together.
that's all I can think of so far.
Wizardry have always been the bread and butter of the realms, if nobody else is up for playing a Wizard I'll step up to the plate if you prefear the Wizard be a Pc, otherwise my previous idea of a bard or Fighter/rogue still stands.
Shadowdale eh? Classic place, home of some of the more well known heroes of the realms aside from a certain Drow.
One question just for clarification, are we talking 10-20 years after the spellplague started or or 10-20 after it ended?
Far as I know it started 1385 and ended 1395
Well, I can be a wizard :) We need then someone to be rogue
Haha, as I recall, I've played in several groups that lacked a Rogue, but never in one that lacked a Wizard...there is just something very satisfying with snapping your fingers and suddenly incinerating a handfull of Orcs yeah?
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Well, if I am chosen, I would easily play a rogue-type character, for sure. You see, I've always been fascinated by the elven moonblade lore, and have read the few books that go into it - and I would adore to take some trait to wield one in an actual game.
In total? My concept would either be a male elven rogue, or... perhaps a paladin. Here's to my hopes to get in!
Tentative character sheet up.
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I don't know too much abuout Rashemen, Aren't the Hathran their ruling class?
Apologies, I should have said Ethran. Hathran is a PrC that represents an Elder Witch of Rashemen who are the ruling group. Ethran is just a witch of the Wychlaran, the overall spiritual leaders of the country.
Essentially, I'd be playing a Russian/Slavic themed witch with a mask who is big on communing with the spirits of the land. The Hathran PrC was an attempt to make an arcane/divine multiclass arrangement work because there wasn't something like the Witch class. At best, Ethran would be a trait that just gave me some bonuses in Rashemen on social skills and a degree of automatic enmity with the Red Wizards/Thay.
1) Are you wanting point buy or rolls for characters, etc?
2) Do you want us to go ahead and pick two traits, or leave one open for you to choose/develop for the campaign?
I'll have a character up tonight.
Tentative Sheet up.
Ready sheet up! Danate is ready to make some magic [equipment missing, but going for materials + some food. Nothing else missing so far. Maybe the languages but well]
Tentative Sheet up, will add more character details tomorrow after I get some sleep. My creative juices have ceased to function.
I'll probably make two versions of this character a melee type and range type.
>_> No one really noticed the whole "This is not a recruitment thread" part, did they?
Well, let it never be said that I don't cave to pressure, :p The four characters who have been submitted will be accepted.
Okay, I'm going to ask that BoggBear Rizzym throw their concepts in as well, as a note we seem to be fairly well covered in the arcane department. No rogue so far, and only one monk for melee. So possibly a martial class or a rogue? Also, I have a soft spot for Rangers. :p
Gandal Gimme a msg once you get your connection issues worked out, and we'll see what we can do, though I can't make any promises.
This brings the party to six, so I won't be accepting any more submissions at this point.
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Alright - I'll work on a character sheet for an Elven Bard (Arcane Duelist variant from APG). That way, we have someone with -some- martial training, if not enough to pass by.
Also, it gives us another arcane user, and a rogue - completing the vicious cycle of awesome that is FR. Character sheet in the making.
Edit: Think, old-school Bladesinger! Also, I would like to talk to you about the possibility of a moonblade...
Hey Rizz, a moonblade will be possible, it'll be a character trait and it won't be fully powered at the start of the campaign.
I estimated wrong - tentative character sheet, still needs work, but, sleep now. Will finish the little details in the morning/afternoon/whatever - but they will be done, I guarantee it.
Gandal Gimme a msg once you get your connection issues worked out, and we'll see what we can do, though I can't make any promises.
I understand that, thanks anyway.Am still without thou :( have to go to a friend'place to post, hope to solve this issue for Monday. Meanwhile i rolled 2 concepts. They are complete with stats and feats, only lacking traits and equip; have to think to a full background story and names too, as i'm not used to the new FR settings.
They are a male human fighter from Neverwinter, going for flail and shield combat, and a female elven bard from Silverymoon(i thought of her as a sun elf, but since PF doesn't use different racial stats she can be a mundane PF elf). I don't like APG variants so they are done with normal corebook material.
They are both 20 points buy.
Solved the issue, faster than i believed :)
Will begin working on full concepts asap.