Moonlight Bridge / Oracle Heavens Revelation


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Moonlight Bridge (Su): You summon a bridge of shimmering moonlight. The 10-foot-wide span touches the ground at a point adjacent to your position. From this point it can extend in any direction for 10 feet per oracle level. The path persists until you have crossed over the bridge or for 24 hours, whichever is shorter. You may summon a moonlight bridge a number of times per day equal to your Charisma bonus. Should the bridge be attacked, treat it as a wall of force.

'any direction' = including up?

...if so, does this mean a first level Oracle, assuming the GM was playing by RAW, could block a 10ft wide, 10ft tall corridor for 24 hours and/or really annoy anyone on a mount charging towards them?

o-o ...if so.. that'd be hilarious.

*shakes invisible force fist*

Grand Lodge

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BenignFacist wrote:
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Moonlight Bridge (Su): You summon a bridge of shimmering moonlight. The 10-foot-wide span touches the ground at a point adjacent to your position. From this point it can extend in any direction for 10 feet per oracle level. The path persists until you have crossed over the bridge or for 24 hours, whichever is shorter. You may summon a moonlight bridge a number of times per day equal to your Charisma bonus. Should the bridge be attacked, treat it as a wall of force.

'any direction' = including up?

...if so, does this mean a first level Oracle, assuming the GM was playing by RAW, could block a 10ft wide, 10ft tall corridor for 24 hours and/or really annoy anyone on a mount charging towards them?

I previously asked this question in the APG rules question thread and never saw a response from the developers. I haven't needed to use this tactic yet, but I'm keeping it in mind for the right time.


sieylianna wrote:
BenignFacist wrote:
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Moonlight Bridge (Su): You summon a bridge of shimmering moonlight. The 10-foot-wide span touches the ground at a point adjacent to your position. From this point it can extend in any direction for 10 feet per oracle level. The path persists until you have crossed over the bridge or for 24 hours, whichever is shorter. You may summon a moonlight bridge a number of times per day equal to your Charisma bonus. Should the bridge be attacked, treat it as a wall of force.

'any direction' = including up?

...if so, does this mean a first level Oracle, assuming the GM was playing by RAW, could block a 10ft wide, 10ft tall corridor for 24 hours and/or really annoy anyone on a mount charging towards them?

I previously asked this question in the APG rules question thread and never saw a response from the developers. I haven't needed to use this tactic yet, but I'm keeping it in mind for the right time.

Thanks for the heads up!

There was a suggestion on chat that, if the DM was worried about 'balance' and/or felt the need to introduce some flavourful constraints they coud rule:

''Only the side facing the moon is solid.''

Which seems like a clever and colourful idea.

However, I also like the idea of Heaven's Oracles raising invisible barries/blocking passages and generally having their foes run face-first in mystical barriers..

Any opinions on this? Too much? Will it send the mythical 'balance' of our games hurtling (giggling) into oblivion?

*shakes fist*


BenignFacist wrote:
''Only the side facing the moon is solid.''

I can think of some terrible things to do with this. Imagine, a wall of force that allows travel only in one direction. Implications in thermodynamics aside, that would allow the party to set up a wall they can shoot through and be totally invulnerable.


Umbral Reaver wrote:
BenignFacist wrote:
''Only the side facing the moon is solid.''
I can think of some terrible things to do with this. Imagine, a wall of force that allows travel only in one direction. Implications in thermodynamics aside, that would allow the party to set up a wall they can shoot through and be totally invulnerable.

lol fair point

Also, does a wall of force have a thickness/depth?

If not then... well, angle it at 20 degrees away from your feet and ending in midair..

Slicey slicey?

Seemingly messy..

//

So either constrain thing to a horizontal plane (tho there's still question of what happens if you intersect with the 'edge' (if any) of the bridge) or state that it's solid in all directions.

Or both (solid in all directions, horizontal plane only)

Still.. a horse running into an invisible barrier, be it vertical or horizontal and spanning two elevated areas, could be in trouble.

Maybe?

*shakes fist*

The Exchange

BenignFacist wrote:
Quote:
Moonlight Bridge (Su): You summon a bridge of shimmering moonlight. The 10-foot-wide span touches the ground at a point adjacent to your position. From this point it can extend in any direction for 10 feet per oracle level. The path persists until you have crossed over the bridge or for 24 hours, whichever is shorter. You may summon a moonlight bridge a number of times per day equal to your Charisma bonus. Should the bridge be attacked, treat it as a wall of force.

'any direction' = including up?

...if so, does this mean a first level Oracle, assuming the GM was playing by RAW, could block a 10ft wide, 10ft tall corridor for 24 hours and/or really annoy anyone on a mount charging towards them?

o-o ...if so.. that'd be hilarious.

*shakes invisible force fist*

bump.

just curious

Liberty's Edge

I'm also curious how this could work. Didn't see any clarification in the second printing. Any further follow up on this?


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I want this to work so badly, everybody click the FAQ button.

Grand Lodge

I played an Oracle with this before. My DM told me that if I try to use it like a wall of force, I would regret it. A great way to use this is to make the bridge over a deep chasm, the deactivate it as the enemy tries to cross it.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
A great way to use this is to make the bridge over a deep chasm, the deactivate it as the enemy tries to cross it.

The only way to deactivate it is to pass over it. You would have to stand on the bridge (assuming that the parts you have passed over still exist) then finish moving off it when the creatures are in the middle.


just ran into this problem as well with a low level oracle wanting to use this power to basically create a wall of force (a vertical bridge). After all as OP noted, up is a direction.

Overall the basic ability of getting a whole party access to a location is pretty great. I wish they had just left off the one comment about treating it like a wall of force when attacked. Pretty broken for a power you can take at 1st level.

No FAQs yet so here is what I did as GM:

Treat the bridge as moonlight (i.e. intangible) except when you are walking on it or attacking it. When walked on it supports you like a bridge, but is otherwise intangible. When attacked by things that effect intangible apply damage to the bridge as a wall of force.

For extra flavor I decided that intangible creatures need to spend a move action to pass through the bridge as well.

Rationale here is the first line says it is a bridge made of moonlight. Last line says to treat it as a wall of force if the bridge is attacked.


There are several very lengthy threads about this ability already; I suggest doing a search.

In the end, it was an intent versus RAW debate, in addition to many varied interpretations on how to run the ability regardless of the camp you agreed with.

Thus, expect a LOT of table variation. I personally would lean towards limiting the power of this ability, considering the level at which it's acquired and other factors.

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