Maybe I'm just vision-impaired, but I can't seem to find anything rules-wise that makes it particularly detrimental to your health if you grapple with a fire-elemental. Logically it should be a no-brainer. You. Don't. Play. With. Fire. But a greature that can set you on fire it slaps you should be a nasty thing to tango with.
So if you grab a fire-elemental (or other such creatures that are on fire) what happens then? This will probably come up from time to time in my games...
Thanks y'all!
Hah! Missed that :D Thanks! That's the part where vision-impaired comes in ;-) I thought I was missing something...
Hi! From what I understood, that ability is triggered only by melee attacks and not by any other kind of maneuver.
Can you please clearify this point please?
Also, what happens to wood objects hitted by fire elementals?
It's funny, because unless you "hit" the Fire Elemental with a Grapple combat maneuver, Burn never activates.
Burn wrote:
... Creatures that hit a burning creature with natural weapons or unarmed attacks take fire damage as though hit by the burning creature and must succeed at a Reflex save to avoid catching on fire.
Is grappling the same as hitting?
The Fire Elemental could attack you on its turn, by escaping or reversing the grapple... and if its attack is successful, it could trigger Burn.
But I see nothing in Burn's description saying that grappling the creature triggers Burn. In fact, I do not see the word "hit" anywhere in the description of the Grapple combat maneuver on AoN.
Common sense says that hugging a Fire Elemntal will set you on fire, but the rules actually do not support that.
The Hamatula Devil's Barbed Defense is worded similarly... and would also allow you to Grapple a Barbed Devil without suffering its Barbed Defense. However, those monsters got Grab, and Impale, so if they reverse your Grapple... you are in a world of hurt. But they have no grappling feats, so they may not be able to overpower your party's luchador.
According to the SRD though, "When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects."
A natural 20, therefore, automatically succeeds at a combat maneuver. I think that is definitely a "hit".
So burn would definitely trigger at least once.
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Hi! From what I understood, that ability is triggered only by melee attacks and not by any other kind of maneuver.
Can you please clearify this point please?
Also, what happens to wood objects hitted by fire elementals?
Hi Blackflame, welcome welcome.
They're unlikely to clarify anything, since this thread is 11 years old and neither of them have posted in the last year or so.
Luckily some wonderful people have come to find the information for you. In general when I "Necro a thread I like to make it obvious that I've done so in order to avoid confusion .
It doesn't seem to be the case here, but some of these old posts have had the answers clarified in later books, errata or FAQs, so you may find some unanswered questions in old threads that actually do have answers now. Avain though, this one seems like it was never clarified, so good question.
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Luckily some wonderful people have come to find the information for you. In general when I "Necro a thread I like to make it obvious that I've done so in order to avoid confusion .
If I recall correctly the record was resurrecting a 2008 thread. That was something written during Pathfinder testing, so probably it wasn't in the Rule section of the forum.
Barbed devils and other creatures with similar abilities have the same problem:
Barbed Defense (Su) A creature that strikes a hamatula with a melee weapon, an unarmed strike, or a natural weapon takes 1d8+6 points of piercing damage from the devil’s barbs. Melee weapons with reach do not endanger a user in this way.
Grappling a creature covered in spikes should generate some problem.
Reading the Hamatula entry I noticed that the damage adds the monster strength. Strange, when I hit something the strength that should matter is my strength, not the opponent's strength.
As often happens, keeping the rules simpler goes against verisimilitude.
I would house rule that grappling and several other uses of combat maneuvers will apply the damage.
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"What a lovely necro this is. RAW, only a Succubus or a Female Druid wearing -1 AC armor can survive a grapple with Elementals. We didn't make the rules."
"The Druid is wearing -1 AC armor, so she is too hawt already."