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The combination of brass knuckles and an amulet of mighty fists currently looks like a perfect combo for a monk.
Monks are proficient with brass knuckles and can use their monk unarmed damage when fighting with them.
This amulet grants an enhancement bonus of +1 to +5 on attack and damage rolls with unarmed attacks and natural weapons.
My question is do they both give unarmed attacks their bonus?
If they are both +2 to hit and damage then they do not stack since they are both enhancement bonuses.
What if you have brass knuckles +4, and Amulet of mighty fists +0 (flaming and frost special abilities).
When the monk attacks with his unarmed attacks does he get the +4 to hit and damage from the brass knuckles and the +1d6 fire and +1d6 cold from the Amulet of Mighty Fists?
It makes it cheaper for the monk to have a +1 flaming weapon by buying +1 brass knuckles (2k) and +0 flaming amulet (5k). Total cost 7k to buy +1 flaming brass knuckles would have cost 8k.
Only 1k in difference and takes up the neck slot so yeah that is not bad.
Let's look at a much higher level. +5 brass knuckles (50k) +0 of speed amulet of mighty fists (45k). Total cost 95k
A pair of +5 brass knuckles of speed would cost 128k. That's a 33k difference.
The question is, does the monk benefit from both the brass knuckles and the amulet of mighty fists?
they dont stack for the same reason you can't wear bracers of armor and acutal armor to benefit from +5 from one and e.g. heavy fortification from the other.
rule is you benefit from the item with the greater overall enchament bonus the other is not used even if worn.
to put ot another way they don't stack becuase brass knuckles +2 and amulet of frost are both weapon enchaments so they can't stack
even though frist is an effect and not +1, is is effectily considered a +1 enchament to a weapon
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A weapon usually has to be +1 before you can add flaming and other qualities onto it, I think most DM's would argue the same thing about the Amulet of Mighty Fists. The brass knuckles let the Monk enchant his attacks like weapon using characters do, at the same prices, rather than paying for the costly AoMF.
not to mention this would effectivley allow you to get up to +15 enchament on your attacks which is as broken as it sounds
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on a note about the amulet, it can be flaming without the +1. The exception is in the description
From PRD:
Alternatively, this amulet can grant melee weapon special abilities, so long as they can be applied to unarmed attacks. See Table: Melee Weapon Special Abilities for a list of abilities. Special abilities count as additional bonuses for determining the market value of the item, but do not modify attack or damage bonuses. An amulet of mighty fists cannot have a modified bonus (enhancement bonus plus special ability bonus equivalents) higher than +5. An amulet of mighty fists does not need to have a +1 enhancement bonus to grant a melee weapon special ability.
This is what my druid has for his wild shapes, +1d6 electrical on all natural attacks with the lowest amulet.
Brass knuckles are under unarmed attacks in the weapon table and are described as unarmed attacks in their description so I see no reason why you can't use weapon properties from the amulet and enhancement bonus' from the brass knuckles.
Just remember the combination cannot exceed a +10 bonus equivalency on any attack.
It saves you money but not as much as you might think because of the inflated price of the amulet. Edit: Oh, I see you did the math- I overlooked that.
Brass Knuckles is a WEAPON that allows a monk to do their unarmed damage.
Amulet of natural armor lets their UNARMED strikes do additioanl effects.
Good catch thanks. I knew I had to be looking at it incorrectly. I was thinking of the brass knuckles as the unarmed attack, but instead it is a weapon whos damage is equal to what the monk can do with unarmed damage.
Question resolved. Thanks