| Magnus Dread-sky |
Last night our group had a minor difference of opinion about if a dazed creature could get an aoo.
The scenario: The wizard cast daze (0 level cantrip) on a large creature (Ogre I think) that had reach. The creature failed the save and thus is "Dazed" for one round. The rogue moved in for an attack - having to move through threatened space due to the 10' range of the large creature. Does the creature get an aoo on the rogue?
I understand from the core rulebook that a dazed creature cannot take actions. However, they can defend normally (so no sneak attack etc). Is an aoo an action, or a normal part of defending?
Please support answer with info from RAW as I seem to have found myself in a rather rules intensive group. Thank you in advance for any feedback.
Happler
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From what I can understand by RAW:
Dazed: The creature is unable to act normally. A dazed creature can take no actions, but has no penalty to AC.
A dazed condition typically lasts 1 round.
and this:
Threatened Squares: You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your turn. Generally, that means everything in all squares adjacent to your space (including diagonally). An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes an attack of opportunity from you. If you're unarmed, you don't normally threaten any squares and thus can't make attacks of opportunity.
Since you do not really threaten anything while dazed (since you cannot attack anything under the "can take no actions"). Then you cannot take any attacks of opportunity.
Happler
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Hmm... I've always assumed that dazed creatures couldn't make attacks of opportunity, but looking through the rules it doesn't specifically say whether attacks of opportunity are actions, or 'non-actions' like a 5' step or knocking an arrow.
See, I read it as the dazed creature cannot take a 5' step or knock an arrow either.
Brother Elias
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Hmm... I've always assumed that dazed creatures couldn't make attacks of opportunity, but looking through the rules it doesn't specifically say whether attacks of opportunity are actions, or 'non-actions' like a 5' step or knocking an arrow.
Drawing ammunition is a Free action.
a 5-foot step is a Miscellaneous Action (variable amount of time).
Both are actions.
Calixymenthillian
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Drawing ammunition is a Free action.
a 5-foot step is a Miscellaneous Action (variable amount of time).
Both are actions.
Right on the drawing ammunition... but on the Table:Actions in Combat, Delay and 5' step are both listed under the no action heading:
No Action....Attack of Opportunity
Delay...........No
5-foot step.....No
Happler
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Brother Elias wrote:Drawing ammunition is a Free action.
a 5-foot step is a Miscellaneous Action (variable amount of time).
Both are actions.
Right on the drawing ammunition... but on the Table:Actions in Combat, Delay and 5' step are both listed under the no action heading:
PRD wrote:
No Action....Attack of Opportunity
Delay...........No
5-foot step.....No
But it is listed in the text under this:
Miscellaneous Actions
The following actions take a variable amount of time to accomplish or otherwise work differently than other actions.
Take 5-Foot Step
You can move 5 feet in any round when you don't perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity. You can't take more than one 5-foot step in a round, and you can't take a 5-foot step in the same round that you move any distance.
You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round.
You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn't hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can't take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature.
You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed.
So I would still list it as an action. Note, defending yourself (not getting a penalty to AC) is not listed as an action anywhere.