This really did come up in our game tonight, and none of us could figure out the answer.
We had a pregnant NPC who was having difficulty giving birth, so our mage wondered if casting Enlarge Person on the mother would ease the process, for obvious reasons.
The question was, could we target just the mother with the spell, or would she and the soon-to-be-born child count as the same person?
What would you have ruled in this situation?
It'd enlarge the baby, too. Until it's born, it's physically connected to the mother. They even share blood, IIRC.
The baby can fight his way out with a small weapon, and then "muscular action" will close the wound.
Why the f!++ not? That's what happens when a t-rex eats you.
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Coming in at #4 on the all time best posts by Spanky is:
The baby can fight his way out with a small weapon, and then "muscular action" will close the wound.
Why the f~!& not? That's what happens when a t-rex eats you.
You earned the literal LOL with that one, you pint sized bastard.
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Where it would help would be that the attendents would be better able to get in there and turn the baby around, if that's the complication in question.
Most surgical procedures would be made easier by making the wound larger and easier to navigate around.
This is why halflings make the best midwifes. Reduce person might also help :D. Reduce person on a halfling and she can get in there and show the baby the route.
This is why halflings make the best midwifes. Reduce person might also help :D. Reduce person on a halfling and she can get in there and show the baby the route.
*snerk*
"I find it odd that I can remember everything from the day I was born. Even odder was that a halfling came in to retrieve me from the womb. I'm not sure of what to think of that, to be honest."
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This is why halflings make the best midwifes. Reduce person might also help :D. Reduce person on a halfling and she can get in there and show the baby the route.Where it would help would be that the attendents would be better able to get in there and turn the baby around, if that's the complication in question.
Most surgical procedures would be made easier by making the wound larger and easier to navigate around.
"Oh hold still lassie, It'll just be a jiff..."
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If you can get the umbilical you could cut it then give the mother a potion of gaseous form. Make sure to have feather fall ready so the baby doesn't get hurt.
Benign Transposition would save the baby, but likely kill the mother. Good call there Ogre.
edit: Unless you transport something smaller, but what? *Strokes his beard*
This whole thread is so very wrong.....
What? It's just "Practical Application Theory". =3
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Maybe if you enlarge the mother and reduce the halfling midwife, who then cuts the umbilical cord from the inside. Then, the mother drinks a potion of Gaseous Form and the halfling and the baby are out, no problem.Who would have thought that midwifes need ranks in acrobatics and escape artist.
It never hurts to take something to raise you CMD either. Some levels in monk mayhaps?
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I say that it would help a great deal. It's the same reason that you can warm up a bolt to loosen it. The heat expands the bolt and the fastener, but it also expands the space. If you enlarge both the mother and the child, you are also enlarging the empty space, giving the baby more room to squeeze through.
brainstorm....I think what's needed is an enlarge/reduce "specific body part" spell.
Dudes could get the Mr. Happy of their dreams, and you could shrink the fetus so's it's pop out easier.
The baby can fight his way out with a small weapon, and then "muscular action" will close the wound.
Why the f*~# not? That's what happens when a t-rex eats you.
You are now ready for a guest starring role on House, MD. :)
*snerk* "I find it odd that I can remember everything from the day I was born. Even odder was that a halfling came in to retrieve me from the womb. I'm not sure of what to think of that, to be honest."
:)
What kind of side effects could occur to an infant exposed to magic so early? Obviously sorcerous powers could manifest.
Waiting to see what traits and bloodlines result from this...
In my campaign, a halfling is dating Lavender Lil, so when I saw this thread I read "Enlarge Person as a Marital Aid."
The baby can fight his way out with a small weapon, and then "muscular action" will close the wound.
Why the f*~# not? That's what happens when a t-rex eats you.You are now ready for a guest starring role on House, MD. :)
*snerk* "I find it odd that I can remember everything from the day I was born. Even odder was that a halfling came in to retrieve me from the womb. I'm not sure of what to think of that, to be honest.":)
What kind of side effects could occur to an infant exposed to magic so early? Obviously sorcerous powers could manifest.Waiting to see what traits and bloodlines result from this...
Now I'm laughing, thinking about House looking at me with that patented "you dumb s$!%!" look as I explaing the muscular action theory to him....
How much do you charge the character for those "dates"?
20 gold, standard high end specialty gig rate.
Now I'm laughing, thinking about House looking at me with that patented "you dumb s@~%!" look as I explaing the muscular action theory to him....
SCENE: Patient of the week is dying of obscure disease.
Thirteen: "Maybe it's amoebiasis?"
House (grumpily): "No. [AD-LIBBED SNARK] Next?"
Thirteen: "What about-" (startled by sight of Werewolf in doctor scrubs heading for coffee) "Wha?! Lupus?!"
House (extra grumpily): "NO. How many times do I have to say it? IT'S NEVER LUPUS!"
Thirteen: "No, (points) lupus as in wolf."
House (whispers): "Did you get to keep your Quorra costume?"
The relevant childbirth spells for a wizard as I see them are as follows:
1. Resistance
A little help is always useful.
2. Open/Close
It depends on what's being defined as a "portal" here, but since there's someone trapped on the other side, the point can certainly be argued.
3. Grease
For obvious reasons. Also useful as a marital aid.
4. Spider Climb
Cast on the baby, it should certainly give it a hefty bonus to climb out. Whether the mother and everyone else need to make Call of Cthulhu SAN checks thereafter is up to the DM, but the sight of a bloody baby crawling on the ceiling is certain to traumatize everyone except the kid.
Those are the low level ones. If you want high level, the following is the ultimate:
5. Freedom
Admittedly being trapped in a womb is not on the listed form of imprisonment, but those are simply examples, not the only sorts of things it works for.
Would a Necklace of Adaptation worn by the mother confer the same benefits to child? Using the same logic as Enlarge Person effecting both. Would be of any help, allowing the child to 'breath' without air if things start going wrong.
And of corse lets not forget prestidigitation for cleaning up when all is said an done.
What about using True Strike and the Steal combat maneuver? Or would it be Drag to pull the baby out? Would that count as cradle robbing?
In my campaign, a halfling is dating Lavender Lil, so when I saw this thread I read "Enlarge Person as a Marital Aid."
heh, reminds me of the War of the Spider Queen series where Justicar had a pixie girlfriend who hoarded potions of enlarge person. big lols.
Good ideas, all of them, but that would require a special spell that would sever the umbilical first, else it will affect the mother as well.
What about using True Strike and the Steal combat maneuver? Or would it be Drag to pull the baby out? Would that count as cradle robbing?
I-- Wow. Just-- Wow. I'm not sure where that ranks with the Spider Climb illustration, or Leprechaun's "T-Rex" comment, but I think you just forced a sanity check for me.
can you hit the baby with a defenistrating sphere?
3. GreaseFor obvious reasons. Also useful as a marital aid.
Our mage did also have Grease prepared, but the mother opted for a natural birth.
It was during a full moon, so we'll see how natural it turns out.
brainstorm....I think what's needed is an enlarge/reduce "specific body part" spell.
Dudes could get the Mr. Happy of their dreams, and you could shrink the fetus so's it's pop out easier.
Encyclopaedia Arcane: Nymphology, spell Dirk's Impressive Tool.
Let's hope the child is affected along with the mother. Otherwise, some booze-addled midwife/wizard might cast reduce person as an accident. I think that would lead to a scene reminiscent of Alien.
5. FreedomAdmittedly being trapped in a womb is not on the listed form of imprisonment, but those are simply examples, not the only sorts of things it works for.
Stewie Griffin would disagree. He was trapped in that "Uterine Bastille" for a grueling nine months...
Stewie Griffin would disagree. He was trapped in that "Uterine Bastille" for a grueling nine months...
5. FreedomAdmittedly being trapped in a womb is not on the listed form of imprisonment, but those are simply examples, not the only sorts of things it works for.
That's what happens when you leave the testicular boot camp.
To heck with magic! All you really need is some gnomish engineers and the blueprints for an "Apparatus for Facilitating the Birth of a Child by Centrifugal Force" (NSFW?/NSFExpectantMoms?)
You ain't getting me in one of those, gnomish or otherwise.
To heck with magic! All you really need is some gnomish engineers and the blueprints for an "Apparatus for Facilitating the Birth of a Child by Centrifugal Force" (NSFW?/NSFExpectantMoms?)
You ain't getting me in one of those, gnomish or otherwise.
Whoa! That's why you don't leave physicists or engineers unsupervised.
Can a baby throw up in the womb? I bet if you turn that contraption on and set it too high, that poor infant will throw up its bones.
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To heck with magic! All you really need is some gnomish engineers and the blueprints for an "Apparatus for Facilitating the Birth of a Child by Centrifugal Force" (NSFW?/NSFExpectantMoms?)
You ain't getting me in one of those, gnomish or otherwise.
'Note the elasticized "pocket-shaped newborn net" - lest the baby shoot out and bump its head with double-G force.'
...excellent. Definitely "Life Quest" material, literally.
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What kind of side effects could occur to an infant exposed to magic so early? Obviously sorcerous powers could manifest.
Like Obelix?
"No, you can't have the magic Enlarge Potion; you were given too much as a baby..."
What kind of side effects could occur to an infant exposed to magic so early? Obviously sorcerous powers could manifest.Like Obelix?
"No, you can't have the magic Enlarge Potion; you were given too much as a baby..."
Just a little mouthful! I feel so weak. I could hardly lift 10 Romans!