Metamagic Feat- Minimize Spell


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Minimize Spell (Metamagic)

Your spells have the minimum possible effect.

Benefit: All variable, numeric effects of a spell modified by this feat are minimized. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables. A minimized spell uses the spell’s normal level spell slot. A minimized spell uses the minimum possible caster level for determination of spell effects. A minimized spell cannot be prepared with any other metamagic effects due to the nature of preparing an intentionally weak spell.

Thoughts? Concerns? Blow a hole in this puppy for me if you would, lets get some discussion going!

I would like to think of a wizard preparing a few 1 point fireballs to clean out the cobwebs in his tower.


WHY?!?

It uses a normal lvl spell slot. why would ya'? Clean out cobwebs? I'm pretty sure Prestidigation works for that.

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Tanis wrote:

WHY?!?

It uses a normal lvl spell slot. why would ya'? Clean out cobwebs? I'm pretty sure Prestidigation works for that.

And do a mighty slow job of it! 1 foot a round?! You aren't thinking like an infomercial salesman! Fine then, how about a nice clean sear on that perfect steak?

Wham! 3 seconds later and you have eliminated that unsightly, unhealthy gristle and fat!


lol that's hilarious!


Actually, I can think of a potential use for it - to avoid killing someone you want to take prisoner when you think they can't take much more damage. That said, there are other ways to accomplish the same thing. Anyway, see no reason why it wouldn't work.

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Themetricsystem wrote:

Minimize Spell (Metamagic)

Your spells have the minimum possible effect.

Benefit: All variable, numeric effects of a spell modified by this feat are minimized. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables. A minimized spell uses the spell’s normal level spell slot. A minimized spell uses the minimum possible caster level for determination of spell effects. A minimized spell cannot be prepared with any other metamagic effects due to the nature of preparing an intentionally weak spell.

Thoughts? Concerns? Blow a hole in this puppy for me if you would, lets get some discussion going!

I would like to think of a wizard preparing a few 1 point fireballs to clean out the cobwebs in his tower.

One one use for it that I can think of off the top of my head is if you really want to reincarnate someone as a bugbear. A person could argue that the roll is always 01, which gives bugbear. Bugbears are pretty tough, so its a good thing.

Other uses for it would be spells like teleport, or contact other plane, since you would always get a 01, avoids the harmful effects.

Of course a wise DM would rule that these kind of random effects are not minimized by the feat (nor maximized by a feat like maximize spell). However, the description of neither feat actually says anything about this.

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I would take the feat for a gnome arcane trickster, great for harmless pranks!


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Actually,
I can think of several situations where it could be useful. Convincing the BBEG you're working for him against the good guys (You're popping off fireballs left and right, but doing 5 damage per to everyone instead of 30). Or, if you're a cleric, you heal the guy's grunts for 6hp instead of 40.

As stated earlier, you can also use it for pranks.

Another use would be scaring people without hurting them (casting magic missile into a crowd for example and knowing you'll only do 2 hp of damage per hit to 3 different people).

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Clearing out a room full of fog or mosquitoes and weenie rats. Waking up party members in an aggressive way.

Chilling the party's ale in a heart beat, or even functions as some overdone AC in the case of ice storm.


You could use it to create "cursed" magic items. Perhaps to sell to your enemies?


Why not make it use a slot one level lower than normal? A minimized fireball sounds about right for a 2nd or even 1st level spell. Heck a minimized magic missle could work as a cantrip. It does 2hp but it does not miss. I'd memorize this over acid splash in a heartbeat.

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~will


scotchrocket wrote:
I would take the feat for a gnome arcane trickster, great for harmless pranks!

<casts minimize fireball> I cast Mass Baldness and Sunburn


PoorWanderingOne wrote:

Why not make it use a slot one level lower than normal? A minimized fireball sounds about right for a 2nd or even 1st level spell. Heck a minimized magic missle could work as a cantrip. It does 2hp but it does not miss. I'd memorize this over acid splash in a heartbeat.

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~will

I would caution against it. While it might be okay in a lot of instances, lowering the required spell slot by 1 could potentially be unbalancing in some cases, while leaving the spell level alone for guaranteed minimum dice rolls is fine.

An example I can think of is Enervation. Going from a 4th level spell to a 3rd level spell, and going from 1d4 negative levels (average 2.5) to 1 negative level might be worth it. Just to allow you to prepare even more castings of enervation. I'm not saying it's absolutely certain to be worth it, but just considering it makes me hesitant.

Edit: Oh frak, I just realized this thread is super old.

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Claxon wrote:
PoorWanderingOne wrote:

Why not make it use a slot one level lower than normal? A minimized fireball sounds about right for a 2nd or even 1st level spell. Heck a minimized magic missle could work as a cantrip. It does 2hp but it does not miss. I'd memorize this over acid splash in a heartbeat.

Random ideas
~will

I would caution against it. While it might be okay in a lot of instances, lowering the required spell slot by 1 could potentially be unbalancing in some cases, while leaving the spell level alone for guaranteed minimum dice rolls is fine.

An example I can think of is Enervation. Going from a 4th level spell to a 3rd level spell, and going from 1d4 negative levels (average 2.5) to 1 negative level might be worth it. Just to allow you to prepare even more castings of enervation. I'm not saying it's absolutely certain to be worth it, but just considering it makes me hesitant.

Edit: Oh frak, I just realized this thread is super old.

The prior poster is trying out for the thread necromancy olympics: At just under 12.5 years old, this thread is definitely a medal contender...

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