Question: Can I get a full attack while grappled? I was thinking I only got one, but re-reading the text, it sounds like it's the grappler, not the grapplee who is limited to dealing damage from a single attack.
EDIT: Aha! Found an answer from Jason via Messageboard Search and FAQ.
Folks,
The RAW do allow the grappled to make a full attack action, assuming they can do so with only one hand. Since flurry does not require two hands to perform, a monk could flurry.
Grappling is not always the best idea. Grappling a monk is one such example. I think folks need to remember that the grappled condition is not as severe as it once was. You are no longer draped all over the target. It is more like you got a hold on them, typically an arm (hence the restriction). The pinned condition is more of your greco-roman wrestling hold.
Hope that clears it up..
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
I'll go take another swing in the game thread.
Great job soloing the dragon, AK! Double impressive considering he accidentally got a bit of healing, as well...
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Great job soloing the dragon, AK! Double impressive considering he accidentally got a bit of healing, as well...
Muchas gracias :), I thought the bugger would get away. Still, both my sabres lost is too great a cost to pay. I'm after Findor so you're not having to prepare a third locate object spell on his gear to find him, and because Maysalkirii honestly doesn't know his fate so with you saving Adele hes trying to save Findor.
Yeah, Dragox hasn't been in a flying solo combat with a dragon...he's had more time to notice what else has been going on.
Gerald, can't Dragox try an Acrobatics check when deliberately jumping to avoid some falling damage entirely and convert part to nonlethal, or can a deliberate jump not be combined with Slow Fall? I've never played a monk....
I honestly have no idea if acrobatics interacts with slow fall, Joana. I've never had to slow fall more than the height of my slow fall ability before. This is completely new to me, too. Guess it is GM fiat, so to speak, unless there is a thread out there I haven't seen.
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I honestly have no idea if acrobatics interacts with slow fall, Joana. I've never had to slow fall more than the height of my slow fall ability before. This is completely new to me, too. Guess it is GM fiat, so to speak, unless there is a thread out there I haven't seen.
Im confident you can use acrobatics to reduce falling damage in addition to using slow fall.
From the SRD:
Falling: When you deliberately fall any distance, even as a result of a missed jump, a DC 15 Acrobatics skill check allows you to ignore the first 10 feet fallen, although you still end up prone if you take damage from a fall.
If you'll let Dragox try to Acrobatics the first die of damage away, I'll roll below. If not, since I didn't mention it, during my action, I understand.
Acrobatics
If you are cool with it, DM, I'll take 2 points of damage away, since it was the first die.
Fine with me. Go ahead and ignore 2 hp of the falling damage.
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Yeah, I noticed that too.... The thing is, I've stopped dreaming about Findor... and now can't get Galanthea out of my mind... lol. :P I can keep playing Findor if most people want me to, at least until his 3rd death, but Galanthea's been ready..... or I can bring in one of my other older character ideas.
Zalania Sapphros: (Yes, Adele, that Zalania), which I could remake as a Diviner/Cleric.
Shalani Mistoreth: Fire Sorceress/Alchemist
Selena Devanholme: Celestial Sorceress/Witch
I'm with AK, stardust. Play whomever you want to play. But, IIRC, we aren't allowed two primary casting classes in our builds...
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I thought he had modified his ruling so that we could have two primary casters so long as their spellcasting abilities were not the same.
Witch and Alchemist are both Intelligence casters, while sorcerer is a Charisma caster. But he may have changed it back.
Cleric is a Wisdom caster, and Diviner intelligence.
I'd guess the luster is pretty well off a character after he's died, been reincarnated as a different race, and then died again. ;)
My only reservation is that we're already painfully light on arcane and ranged options. As long as a replacement character can use a bow and/or fire off some ranged spells, though, that ought to work.
Originally I said that you could not double on full spellcasting classes. Then I changed it so that spellcasting classes based on the same attribute are a no-no. But here is my final ruling on the subject. I think it will keep things balanced while maximizing versatility. Any combination of spellcasting classes may be taken, but spellcasting slots from full spellcasting classes do not stack with others when based on the same attribute. If you were an Oracle/Bard, for example, you could choose spells from the Bard or Oracle lists to fill your spell slots, but the slots themselves would not stack. Same for a Cleric/Ranger or a Sorcerer/Paladin.
Spellcasting slots from partial casters (Bard, Paladin, Ranger, Inquisitor, etc.) do stack regardless of their dependent attribute.
Stardust, please play whatever you feel like. There does seem to be a need for arcane and ranged duties in the party, but nothing that a little creativity and strategy cannot more than make up for.
Aaargh, I hate that gargoyle got away from us!!!
With that being said, however, props to everyone, especially the DM on a great battle. Sorry to Findor, as bad initial planning on our part, screwed you and Adele.
DM, are you at liberty to reveal what spell they had cast to hide from us at the beginning, the way they did?
I don't think it was a spell. I think they just spent the night walling themselves up mundanely. They knew we'd detect any magic they used so they did it the old-fashioned way. :)
EDIT: Stardust, recruitment thread is here.
Character Generation for DM Tanner's Red Hand of Doom PbP
5th level, 10,500 gp in gear
25 point buy
Gestalt. See rules here. Any classes from core rulebook or APG. No combination of full-caster classes.
2 traits
No evil characters
Number of players: 5
Characters for the game will be chosen Sunday evening.
The devil is in the details. ;)
That, and I thought you guys would have tried to blow up the bridge rather than just cross it. But hey, it was an overall victory.
It was mundanely hidden. I didn't pick up on it as the 'recently added stonework' I thought was simply describing the bridge in greater detail than first found on our scouting array, rather than picking up that it had been added since our sojourn.
I actually got that it was new but misread the directions: thought it was the two towers on the opposite side of the chasm that were potentially trapped. I didn't realize they were pinning us on the bridge.
Btw, I think we're waiting on Feek's action in the main thread, aren't we?
Shalani Mistoreth
Female Human Sorceress (fire) / Alchemist (Gestalt) 6
CN Medium humanoid (human)
Init +8, Senses Perception +7
Age 19, Height 5' 6", Weight 150 lbs
Hair Black, Eyes Orange-gold
DEFENSES
AC 14, flat-footed 10, touch 14 (+4 dexterity)
hp (6d8+6)
Fort +5, Ref +9, Will +4 (+4 vs poison)
Resist Fire 10
OFFENSE
Move 35 feet
Melee masterwork scimitar +5 (1d6, crit. 18-20/x2)
Special Attacks bomb (ranged splash attack +9, 20 ft range, 3d6+2 fire, 8/day), ray of fire (ranged touch +8, 30 ft range, 1d6+3 fire, 7/day)
Alchemist Extracts typically prepared (CL 6th)
2nd (4/day) - aid, aid, cat's grace, cure moderate wounds
1st (5/day)- bomber's eye, cure light wounds, cure light wounds, true strike, true strike
Sorcerer Spells known (CL 6th)
3rd (4/day) - fireball (DC 17), lightning bolt (DC 17)
2nd (6/day) - acid arrow, burning gaze (DC 16), fox's cunning, scorching ray, summon monster II
1st (7/day) - burning hands (DC 15), burning disarm (DC 15), crafter's fortune, disguise self, feather fall, shocking grasp, unseen servant
0 (at will)- acid splash, light, mage hand, prestidigitation, ray of frost, resistance, spark
Bloodline: Fire Elemental
STATISTICS
Str 10, Dex 18, Con 10, Int 14, Wis 8, Cha 18
Base Atk +4, CMB +4, CMD 18
Feats Brew Potion (B), Eschew Materials (B), Fleet, Improved Initiative, Martial Weapon Proficiency (Scimitar), Point Blank Shot, Throw Anything (B).
Skills Bluff +13, Craft (Alchemy) +11 (+17 to create alchemical items), Disable Device +13, Knowledge (arcana) +11, Knowledge (Planes)+11, Perception +7, Spellcraft +11, Survival +4
Traits Accelerated Drinker, Poverty Stricken
Gear headband of vast intelligence +2 (knowledge (planes), wand of scorching ray (33 charges), ring of sustenance, masterwork portable alchemy lab.
SPECIAL ABILITIES
Alchemy (Su) Shalani can create extracts, bombs, and mutagens with an alchemical kit. When she creates an alchemical item, she gains a competence bonus equal to her alchemist level of the craft check. She can use craft (alchemy) to identify magic potions as if by the spell detect magic.
Bloodline Arcana Whenever she casts spells that deal energy damage, Shalani can substitute fire energy for the normal type of energy.
Bomb (Su) Shalani can use 8 bombs per day, a ranged attack as a standard action, dealing 3d6+2 fire damage as a splash weapon with a 20 ft range. Those caught in the splash may attempt a reflex save to halve splash damage from 5 to 3 fire damage (DC 15).
Discoveries (Su)
Concentrate Poison: Shalani can combine two doses of poison to increase its effect. The poison's frequency is extended by 50% and the save DC increases by +2. The poison must be used within one hour of concentration
or is ruined.
Explosive Bomb: Shalani's bombs now have a splash radius of 10 feet instead of 5 feet. Direct-hit creatures catch fire, taking 1d6 fire damage each round until extinguished.
Sticky Poison: Shalani's poisons are sticky. When applied to a weapon, the poison remains for a number of strikes equal to her Intelligence modifier.
Elemental Ray (Sp) Shalani can unleash a ray of fire as a standard action 7 times per day, targetting a foe within 30 feet with a ranged touch attack that inflicts 1d6+3 fire damage.
Elemental Resistance (Sp) Shalani has fire resistance 10.
Mutagen (Su) Shalani can brew a mutagen to enhance one of her physical ability scores, +2 Strength and -2 Intelligence, +2 Dexterity and -2 Wisdom, or +2 Constitution and -2 Charisma, for one hour.
Poison Use (Ex) Shalani is trained in the use of poison and cannot accidentally poison herself when applying poison to a weapon.
Swift Alchemy (Ex) Shalani creates alchemical items in half the normal time.
Swift Poisoning (Ex) Shalani can apply a dose of poison to a weapon as a swift action.
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I made her at 6th level, to be on par with the other characters, but I can change her to 5th if you prefer. I kept her equipment at 10,500 gp, except I forgot the 500 gp which will likely be spent on alchemist's fire and potions.
Roleplaying Notes: Chaotic Neutral. Shalani has an arabic feel to her, with desert-tanned skin and golden orange eyes. She wears a hooded cloak with a part that wraps around the lower part of her face so only her eyes are visible. She mostly acts chaotic good, but has a destructive bent due to her elemental nature which sometimes overrides that, and I felt the best way to do that was to make her Chaotic Neutral.
I am not sure about the traits. Poverty-stricken, yes. But not sure about the other one. :)
Stardust, I like "boom boom" sorcerers, even though I know a lot of people don't. That character looks like a bundle of fun to play.
Looks like a great character. Usually I would suggest the Hedge Magician trait for a discount on crafting (especially with an alchemist), but it wouldn't fit well with the campaign. Not to give away too much, but the style of play is going to continue at the relatively quick pace we have had so far. There won't be a lot of time to dedicate to crafting the big-ticket items.
Of course, I just remembered he's reduced to punching daggers until we can find his weapons. Hope we're not sending him in over his head. :)
Stardust, let me know in a spoiler your ideas for how to introduce Shalani to the party. Please also include a short character background and possible motivation for working with the Silversong Champions. I imagine the party will want to scout the Red Hand army or destroy the bridge before returning to town, so it isn't needed immediately.
DM, Adele will use Lore Master to make her Knowledge (arcana) check about the eidolon, totalling 33. Is that check high enough to know all the information in the APG about the eidolon? In particular, does she know that the eidolon is instantly banished if the summoner is unconscious/killed and the Life Link information about eidolons losing hit points when the summoner is more than 100 feet away, i.e., information about weakening or banishing it the next time we meet? Also, I note that it is an evil outsider, qualifying it for double-smite-damage on the first round, mwah ha ha. >:)
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Okay, I am going to ask one of the dreaded DM questions, but I thought it would be cool to have and go along with the character concept well... It's kind of like Findor's intelligent sword, though... Might open up a can of worms... The worst that can be said is no, and I can be obediant.
Are fire arms allowed?
Edit: never mind, a sorcerer is more likely to carry a wand anyway
Adele: With that high of a check, you know everything about an eidolon that can be found in the APG. As for its alignment, I can neither confirm nor deny that it is evil ;)
Stardust:
1. If you would like to join the party before they return to town, just tell me in a spoiler why Shalani would be wandering around the wilderness near Skull Gorge.
2. I'm going to have to pass on the firearms, sorry. They always change a setting (sometimes for the better), but I don't think they really fit in Golarion. Besides, Maysalkirii is already almost overpowered, do you really want him to dual-wield pistols? :)
Besides, Maysalkirii is already almost overpowered, do you really want him to dual-wield pistols? :)
I maintain that he is actually under-powered for a Gestalt game. I'll show you almost overpowered with my next character if Maysalkirii's killed off ;)
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Yeah, that's what I had figured, about the firearms, I mean.
Isn't there a dual pistol wielding goblin out there somewhere. I mean, like a famous one. I'm not sure why, but I remember seeing a picture of one. :)
A wand of scorching ray is fine, thanks. :)
Okay, some ideas. Whew, this is difficult. :)
Shilani was part of another adventuring group who had come out earlier, but is the lone survivor after an attack from the hobgoblins and their dragon ally. She may even be a prisoner of a warband that needs to be rescued.
She is an explosives expert that has just arrived at Whatsit's Ferry, and was sent ahead by the authorities who thought the adventuring party might need help destroying the bridge... lol. :P
Anybody else want to help me come up with something? I think I used all my imagination coming up with a vision of her... lol. :P
I do know she is on the run from some authorities. She did some massive damage to a city not too long ago, when the elemental rage "took over". And also that her entire tribe was killed in a devastating attack from some fire elemental creature, who left her alive for nefarious purposes... :P
Another Question: The accelerated drinker trait allows Shilani to drink a potion as a move action instead of a standard action. Would this also work on alchemist extracts, or would that be considered game-breaking?
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Another Question: The accelerated drinker trait allows Shilani to drink a potion as a move action instead of a standard action. Would this also work on alchemist extracts, or would that be considered game-breaking?
Do a search on the forums, I know the question has come up before.
The people of Drellins Ferry have no reason to believe the bridge needs to be destroyed yet IIRC.
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As Findor's character will be joining with full equipment i've checked with DM over MSN if we are free to strip Findor of his equipment and use it to improve the survivors chances of success. Tanner encouraged this, pointing out that crafting is pretty much out of the question as this is a fast paced game.
So once Adele or one of the more charismatic characters (hint- not Feek!) decides what to do with Findor's body and what service and speech to give at his burial/cremation- we need to decide where to allocate his gear.
Full Gear List (please clarify, add or correct me stardust)-
potion of cure light wounds (1d8+1 hp)-Recommend we give to Dragox
scroll of shield (CL 5th) Keep in group loot for the next arcanist joining us.
potion of flight (CL 5th) Feek would like, but Narses can have if he wants it.
+1 mithral breastplate Keep for future character or sell- either way group loot unless Adele wants it- Feek has his own
+2 ring of protection Recommend this goes to Narses or Adele. Me and Dragox can cast shield of faith easily.
"Calanharel" medium masterwork longsword For Adele? Maysalkirii is not proficient with normal longswords!
masterwork longbow Feek reclaims this (or goes into group loot if not the one he offered to lend, please confirm?)
wand of mount (CL 2nd - 40 charges) Group loot.
ring of perception -Couldn't find it, can someone confirm what it does? Should go to Adele I think, Feek doesn't have knowledge skills to make much use of spotting things
unguent of timelessness Does anyone want? what does it do again?
explorer's outfit with hooded cloak-negligible.
backpack (wizard's spellbook, 10 candles, inkpen, silk rope, climber's kit) + (bedroll), beltpouch (6 gp, 7 sp), material component pouch (quartz crystal, eagle feathers),Keep in group loot for next arcanist or to sell at later date!
19 durable arrowsSpeak up if you want them.
15 armorpiercing arrows (+1 to hit against armored enemies) Speak up if you want them.
10 tracer arrows (allows +1 to hit with later ranged weapons if in the dark with low-light vision) Speak up if you want them.
20 whistling arrows. Speak up if you want them.
coin- 6GP, 7SP (added to group loot on my profile)
+1 mithral breastplate Keep for future character or sell- either way group loot unless Adele wants it- Feek has his own
Adele has a +1 mithral shirt, which is lighter, no ASF chance and no ACP. Sell it.
+2 ring of protection Recommend this goes to Narses or Adele. Me and Dragox can cast shield of faith easily.
Give it to Narses if he doesn't have a deflection bonus yet. He's more likely to be in melee and has a worse AC.
"Calanharel" medium masterwork longsword For Adele? Maysalkirii is not proficient with normal longswords!
Too big for Adele. Unless someone can use it gainfully, Adele would like to lay Findor to rest with his sword.
ring of perception -Couldn't find it, can someone confirm what it does? Should go to Adele I think, Feek doesn't have knowledge skills to make much use of spotting things
Can't find a reference either.
unguent of timelessness Does anyone want? what does it do again?
Preserves a corpse for later raising, among other things. Might as well hold on to it.
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I agree on all counts.
Bury Findor with his sword.
Narses, gain a +2 ring of protection.
Stardust, wheres ring of perception from?
Unguent of timelessness goes into group loot with breastplate.
Narses the potion of flight I used last combat was bought out of Feek's pocket and i'd like to claim the one Findor had, but if you want it instead let me know so I can remember to buy another. Lets not get caught without flight capability again, I felt very alone without my big scary barbarian fighting alongside me lol.
Frankly your doing fine without him dragonslayer ;p, and as Feek has a much higher dex than Narses his flying is much better. So you keep it.
btw. Yes please. I would very much like the ring of protection. Narses has a +2 non-mithral brestplate, Findors mithral one would lower Narses's AC by 1 but raise his move by 10'. I actually think thats a fair trade concidering the +2 ring, so put a +2 breastplate in the loot instead.
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Frankly your doing fine without him dragonslayer ;p, and as Feek has a much higher dex than Narses his flying is much better. So you keep it.
btw. Yes please. I would very much like the ring of protection. Narses has a +2 non-mithral brestplate, Findors mithral one would lower Narses's AC by 1 but raise his move by 10'. I actually think thats a fair trade concidering the +2 ring, so put a +2 breastplate in the loot instead.
The breastplate is small sized however- so you'll have to wait to get it resized if you want to do that.
AK, just give the healing potion to someone who can't heal, like anyone but Adele or I. I can channel 5 times and spontaneously heal, so I think giving that to me might be overkill. Narses might need it, since he burned one of his healing potions during the fight.