How to create the most devistating Dragon Disciple?


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


I want to play a Fighter/Dragon Disciple; someone in the front lines of combat. My thought is to take 3 levels in Fighter, and 1 level in sorcerer and then start the prestige.

Armor Class
My idea is to get the Shield spell on top of breastplate armor. That with the ability of Armor Training for a fighter and Arcane Armor feat once I have a few levels in Dragon Disciple should be powerful. If I use a dual-sword and two weapon fighting defense, along with dodge I'm looking at an AC of: 6 for armor, 4 for Shield spell, 4 for Dex bonus, 1 for dodge, 1 for Two Weapon Defense, and 1 for natural AC. So at level 5 I would have an AC of 27.

Granted at that time I would have a 25% chance of spell failure, and the Shield spell only lasts 2 minutes. But as I progress levels the spell duration will go up thanks to the prestige ability, and the spell failure chance will go down thanks to the Arcane Armor feat.

Attack
As far as damage; getting multiple attacks per round from feats, getting the Strength bonus from the prestige, and doing 1.5 damage multiplier from using a weapon with two hands speaks for itself.

What does everyone think? Any other possibilities?


The first level in which you can take level 1 of the Dragon Disciple prestige class is character level 6. Before that level, you don't have the necessary skill ranks.

Also, the shield spell and Two-Weapon Defense are both shield bonuses; they don't stack.


Pal/Sor/DD. Form of the Dragon + Smite = pwn


AvalonXQ wrote:

The first level in which you can take level 1 of the Dragon Disciple prestige class is character level 6. Before that level, you don't have the necessary skill ranks.

Also, the shield spell and Two-Weapon Defense are both shield bonuses; they don't stack.

For some reason in Hero Lab it allows you to start a DD as a 5th level character.

Shield Bonus
A shield bonus improves Armor Class and is granted by a shield or by a spell or magic effect that mimics a shield. Shield bonuses stack with all other bonuses to AC except other shield bonuses. A magic shield typically grants an enhancement bonus to the shield's shield bonus, which has the effect of increasing the shield's overall bonus to AC. A shield bonus granted by a spell or magic item typically takes the form of an invisible, tangible field of force that protects the recipient. A shield bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks.

I'm a little confused on whether they stack...


Adam Zeliasz wrote:


I'm a little confused on whether they stack...

You have a +1 shield bonus to AC from the TW Defense feat.

You have a +4 shield bonus to AC from the shield spell.

So they don't stack.

Now my suggestion would be to go with a staff of shield, enchant the staff as a magical weapon rather than blowing a feat on a dual sword, and use the shield spell from the staff when you don't want to risk the Arcane spell failure chance. Also the duration will be at least 8 minutes as its CL is 8.

The staff itself should have a spell you can cast so you can recharge it (let's assume you have shield known): Mage Armor 10 charges, Protection from Evil 10 charges, Shield 1 charge. Cost 2,160gp.

Enchant the staff as a magic weapon, or get GMW cast upon it each day.

I would drop both the exotic weapon feat and the TWDefense feat.

As to real build options, what all are you playing with in the sense of available feats/traits/spells? Build points for stats?

If you are going to look at wearing armor (and likely you should), mithral is your friend. Likewise thistledown if that old 3.5 WOTC item is allowed to lower your Arcane Spell Failure to 10%. A level of spellsword later on can lower that down to 0%.. until then have a few verbal only spells as they won't suffer spell failure.

-James

Sovereign Court

Mirror, Mirror wrote:
Pal/Sor/DD. Form of the Dragon + Smite = pwn

I played a 3.5 Pal/Sor(well warmage)/DD in Living Greyhawk, worked pretty well but you don't get to have like 10 first level paladin spells in Pathfinder.

I've been wanting to try it again though with the new rules, it looks it's still be a lot of fun and probably be more powerful. :)

Paladin 4/Dragon-blooded Sorcerer 1/Gold Dragon Disciple 10/Eldrich Knight 5.


james maissen wrote:
Adam Zeliasz wrote:


I'm a little confused on whether they stack...

You have a +1 shield bonus to AC from the TW Defense feat.

You have a +4 shield bonus to AC from the shield spell.

So they don't stack.

As to real build options, what all are you playing with in the sense of available feats/traits/spells? Build points for stats?

-James

"A magic shield typically grants an enhancement bonus to the shield's shield bonus, which has the effect of increasing the shield's overall bonus to AC. "

Doesn't that mean it would stack?

We're playing with a high point system for attributes, and Pathfinder everything, no DND conversions.


The "magic shield" your quote is referring to is an actual, physical magic shield, such as a shield +1. It is not referring to the effects of the Shield spell.

Liberty's Edge

Adam Zeliasz wrote:
AvalonXQ wrote:


Shield Bonus
A shield bonus improves Armor Class and is granted by a shield or by a spell or magic effect that mimics a shield. Shield bonuses stack with all other bonuses to AC except other shield bonuses. A magic shield typically grants an enhancement bonus to the shield's shield bonus, which has the effect of increasing the shield's overall bonus to AC. A shield bonus granted by a spell or magic item typically takes the form of an invisible, tangible field of force that protects the recipient. A shield bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks.

I'm a little confused on whether they stack...

The part you bolded is talking about a magic shield, i.e. a shield with enhancements, not the shield spell itself. The sentence before that specifically states that shield bonuses do not stack. Shield spell grants a shield bonus. Shields grant a shield bonus. Two Weapon Defense grants a shield bonus.

Dark Archive

Adam Zeliasz wrote:
james maissen wrote:
Adam Zeliasz wrote:


I'm a little confused on whether they stack...

You have a +1 shield bonus to AC from the TW Defense feat.

You have a +4 shield bonus to AC from the shield spell.

So they don't stack.

As to real build options, what all are you playing with in the sense of available feats/traits/spells? Build points for stats?

-James

"A magic shield typically grants an enhancement bonus to the shield's shield bonus, which has the effect of increasing the shield's overall bonus to AC. "

Doesn't that mean it would stack?

We're playing with a high point system for attributes, and Pathfinder everything, no DND conversions.

Bonuses of the same name typically do not stack. Ever.

Pathfinder SRD wrote:


Bonus: Bonuses are numerical values that are added to checks and statistical scores. Most bonuses have a type, and as a general rule, bonuses of the same type are not cumulative (do not “stack”)—only the greater bonus granted applies.

Dark Archive

Jason Beardsley wrote:
Adam Zeliasz wrote:
james maissen wrote:
Adam Zeliasz wrote:


I'm a little confused on whether they stack...

You have a +1 shield bonus to AC from the TW Defense feat.

You have a +4 shield bonus to AC from the shield spell.

So they don't stack.

As to real build options, what all are you playing with in the sense of available feats/traits/spells? Build points for stats?

-James

"A magic shield typically grants an enhancement bonus to the shield's shield bonus, which has the effect of increasing the shield's overall bonus to AC. "

Doesn't that mean it would stack?

We're playing with a high point system for attributes, and Pathfinder everything, no DND conversions.

Bonuses of the same name typically do not stack. Ever.

except dodge bonuses

Dark Archive

Name Violation wrote:


except dodge bonuses

Oh, I know.. that's why I said typically.. didn't want to explode his head with more confusion lol

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