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If I took an evolution point from my eidolon at higher level and made myself a quadruped, is there any reason that my eidolon could not ride me if he was biped? I can make the size requirements happen and I can give him feats.
Also another question for the biped eidolons with more than 2 arms. How do multiple weapon attack works? Say I have 6 arms and I want to have 3-2handed weapons.
The sticking point for me is that even some intelligent creatures need to be trained in order to act as a mount (e.g. griffons). So even if you're physically capable of carrying your eidolon, that doesn't necessarily mean that you're capable of all the feats listed under the Ride skill or in the Mounted Combat section of the rules.
Ordinarily, I'd say "ask you GM", but that doesn't work for PFS games.
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There will be an evolution that will allow your Ed to be a mount so you could take the same one to cover the training.
JustinK wants the mount to ride him. By taking the quadruped evolution upon himself, JustinK would basically become a centaur. Being that JustinK is intelligent, he should be able to learn how to bear riders in combat easily. In terms of PFS, this self-training would happen outside of scenarios. JustinK doesn't need the feats mounted combat or any of the "abilities" under the ride skill because he is acting as the mount. However, his Ed of course does need the necessary feats.
This is a general rules question and doesn't pertain specifically to Pathfinder Society. I'm moving it to the appropriate thread.
Interesting.
This is a general rules question and doesn't pertain specifically to Pathfinder Society. I'm moving it to the appropriate thread.
Well, the Pathfinder Society answer I'd give is "it's not clear that you can do it, so at the very least expect some table variation if you're playing at a con". The general rules answer I'd give is "ask your DM".
In Soviet Russia...
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a small one can ride you. Give mounted combat so once per round it can make a ride check to negate an attack at you. and give it a 5ft poision stinger. wooooot
I think the plan would be as many arms as possible, all wielding lances (once you obtain the maximum attacks you start wielding them two-handed), get all the mounted combat feats for x3 damage along with power attack, and finally get the evolution pounce... game over...
I think the plan would be as many arms as possible, all wielding lances (once you obtain the maximum attacks you start wielding them two-handed), get all the mounted combat feats for x3 damage along with power attack, and finally get the evolution pounce... game over...
Note that only quadrupeds can get Pounce. A quadruped riding a quadruped would be...unusual.
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Note that only quadrupeds can get Pounce. A quadruped riding a quadruped would be...unusual.
Aha, see JustinK is one of my players so he mentioned to me getting pounce and I'm not completely saavy with the summoner. Good thing there's these boards for you guys to set things straight! Would his Ed even need to be mounted for it to gain a damage bonus with a lance?
For instance, if JustinK turns his Ed into a quadruped and then adds multiple sets of arms to turn it into a cenaturish creature, if those arms are wielding lances would they get the mounted bonus?
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Now I'm curious, someone mentioned that you need an evolution to ride the eidolon. Why is this? The eidolon's an intelligent creature, if it's a quadraped then why can't it let anyone ride it by default with the usual set of Ride checks?
I wasn't aware you needed a specific evolution to ride the eidolon.
For instance, if JustinK turns his Ed into a quadruped and then adds multiple sets of arms to turn it into a cenaturish creature, if those arms are wielding lances would they get the mounted bonus?
Note that in the PFRPG Bestiary, it doesn't mention that centaurs gets any special bonus from using lances. So there's no help there.
Now I'm curious, someone mentioned that you need an evolution to ride the eidolon. Why is this? The eidolon's an intelligent creature, if it's a quadraped then why can't it let anyone ride it by default with the usual set of Ride checks?
I wasn't aware you needed a specific evolution to ride the eidolon.
To repeat what I said near the top of this thread, it's not clear that you can ride any intelligent quadruped without special training. For instance:
Griffons require special training before you can use one as a mount.
Before it can be ridden in combat, a griffon requires practice
bearing the weight of its rider. In order to be trained
successfully, a griffon must first be helpful toward its trainer
(possibly requiring a Diplomacy, Intimidate, or Handle
Animal check). After that, 6 weeks of practice and a
successful DC 20 Handle Animal check is sufficient for the
beast to be comfortable with its burden, and due to their
intelligence, trained griffons can be treated as knowing every
trick listed in the Handle Animal skill description, possibly
even responding to new, simple requests made in Common.
Some pegasi don't require specific training to fly with a rider, but that's explicitly stated.
In some pegasi, the blood of a mighty heroic stallion ancestor
runs strong. These champions have the lifespan of a human,
the advanced template, perfect flight maneuverability, fire
resistance 10, a +4 racial bonus on saving throws against
poison, and an immunity to petrification attacks. Some are
able to speak a few words in Common or Celestial. They are
fully aware of their superiority over common horses and
pegasi, and need no training to fly with a rider, but only
allow themselves to be ridden by great heroes.
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Speaking from a PFS perspective, if that's the case it could be considered done in between scenarios. I see what you mean by the rules being vauge hogarth. Haha, every session I take my animal companion to I have to fight with the DM that since he has an Int of 3 he doesn't need tricks. Any suggestions on the whole centaur thing? I mean, it makes sense to me that a centaur wielding a lance should get the x2 damage bonus just like a human on horseback.
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I know Frost told us there would be an Evolution that makes a Eidolon a "suitable mount" and he even should it on the boards, but I can't find it.
Apparently, the reason an Eidolon can't wear a saddle and bear a rider(all jokes aside) is the same reason the gave in the beta to keep it from wearing armor. It's corporeal form isn't solid/consistent enough for the saddle to work.
Darn, no pron.
Darn, no pron.
*chases after Mr. Tiggles*
Would it be evolution if I let the eidolon ... ride ... me? I'd rather not wait several epochs. Hmmm...
"My eidolon is going to ride me."
-That's what she said.
My eidolon is going to ride me.We make no judgements. What happens in Golarion, stays in Golarion.
LMAO! I was going to post something to that effect, like "I think that what you and your eidolon do in the privacy of your own home ... etc."
Quote:
""My eidolon is going to ride me."
-That's what she said."
Well played sir!
And might I add an, "Is that what the kids are calling it these days?" for good measure.
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To try and get back on track with this post. :)
I am still going to try and have me eidolon mounted (hoping that a quadruped-eidolon can mount a sextuped-myself so that I can keep pounce?? (have a chuckle and continue)
But if that fails, would a quadruped charging be considered mounted in terms of damage with a lance???
But if that fails, would a quadruped charging be considered mounted in terms of damage with a lance???
There's no rule saying that a centaur-ish creature is considered mounted, as far as I know.
To try and get back on track with this post. :)
I am still going to try and have me eidolon mounted (hoping that a quadruped-eidolon can mount a sextuped-myself so that I can keep pounce?? (have a chuckle and continue)But if that fails, would a quadruped charging be considered mounted in terms of damage with a lance???
To my knowledge there is not specific rule regarding what can mount what. I think this is in the realm of dm discretion. I have seen in my days an enchanger 'ride' a dominated ogre, with a special harness. I would likely allow your eidolon to ride you if the sizes are correct and you had a specialized harness/saddle.