The Shadow cares!
Who cares?
I thought the Shadow knows?
I care!
Smurfin' along, singing a song...
Smurfin' along, singing a song...
I smurfing hate songs.
What is your reason for hating songs?
Smurf is not a reason.
AND cares. What's the use of knowing if you don't care?I thought the Shadow knows?The Shadow cares!
Who cares?
Okay, so we know the Shadow cares.
But do we care that the Shadow knows?Then again, I'm not even sure I know whether I care, so who cares whether we know whether the Shadow cares?
The ONLY reason can be smurf.
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AND cares. What's the use of knowing if you don't care?I thought the Shadow knows?The Shadow cares!
Who cares?Okay, so we know the Shadow cares.
But do we care that the Shadow knows?Then again, I'm not even sure I know whether I care, so who cares whether we know whether the Shadow cares?
I care because I know I care. *chases tail*
No, no:
Smurf is the word...
AND cares. What's the use of knowing if you don't care?I thought the Shadow knows?The Shadow cares!
Who cares?Okay, so we know the Shadow cares.
But do we care that the Shadow knows?Then again, I'm not even sure I know whether I care, so who cares whether we know whether the Shadow cares?
You make my face hurt.
I care!
Who are you?
No, no:
Smurf is the word...
Smurf smurf smurf....just doesn't smurf right...
Does 4e need such PR championing and defense lawyers?It seems to. The question is why?
The answer is rhetorical given the question's source.
I care!Who are you?
I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue 4-- I mean, you.
We are so smurfing off topic I don't know what to do.
I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue 4-- I mean, you.I care!Who are you?
This is not the topic you are looking for. [/Jedi mind trick]
I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue 4-- I mean, you.I care!Who are you?
Okay, but if you ask me to kiss you for luck, I'm calling DCF.
We are so smurfing off topic I don't know what to do.
You're off-topic. I'm perfectly on-topic.
We are so smurfing off topic I don't know what to do.
I guess we lose 5 SAN and move on :)
EDIT: Or would that be 5 ?
We can smurf if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't smurf and if they don't smurf
Well they're, no friends of mine
Say, we can go where we want to
A place where they will never find
And we can act like we come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind
And we can smurf, "smurfz"
We can go when we want to
Night is young and so am I
And we can dress real neat from our hats to our feet
And surprise them with a victory cry
Say, we can act if we want to
If we don't nobody will
And you can act real rude and totally removed
And I can act like an imbecile
And say
We can smurf, we can smurf
Everything's out of control
We can smurf, we can smurf
We're doing it from pole to pole
We can smurf, we can smurf
Everybody look at your hands
We can smurf, we can smurf
Everybody's taking the chance
its a Smurfty dance
Oh well its smurf to dance
Yes it smurf to dance
We can smurf if we want to
We've got all your life and mine
As long as we abuse it, never going to lose it
Everything will work out right
I say, We can smurf if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't smurf, and if they don't smurf
Well they're no friends of mine
I say, We can smurf, we can smurf
Everything's out of control
We can smurf, we can smurf
We're doing it from pole to pole
We can smurf, we can smurf
Everybody look at your hands
We can smurf, we can smurf
Everybody's taking the chance
Well it's smurf to dance
Yes it's smurf to dance
Well it's smurf to dance
Well it's smurf to dance
Yes it's smurf to dance
Well it's smurf to dance
Well it's smurf to dance
It's a Smurfty Dance
Well it's a Smurfty Dance
Oh it's a Smurfty Dance
Oh it's a Smurfty Dance
Well it's a Smurfty Dance
We are so smurfing off topic I don't know what to do.You're off-topic. I'm perfectly on-topic.
The smurf you are. Don't try to mind-trick me. That power is reserved for Jedis.
The smurf you are. Don't try to mind-trick me. That power is reserved for Jedis.We are so smurfing off topic I don't know what to do.You're off-topic. I'm perfectly on-topic.
Don't need no smurfing Jedis to mind trick you, my smurf.
I used to get upset that the 4e thought police would come out when someone said they didn't like 4e. I mean, not everyone likes everything. There's plenty of room for people who like chocolate and people who like strawberry. But the 4e thought police don't think so. They not only insist that "not liking it" isn't sufficient reason, but they'll insinuate that anybody who says otherwise has no legitimate point.
Like I said, I used to get upset that the 4e thought police would come out when someone said they didn't like 4e.Now, I still say "I don't like 4e" because I don't like 4e. But when the 4e thought police can't help themselves, I've decided to no longer get upset.
I used to actively dislike 4e. In fact, I was very upset when WoTC [tried to] cut the legs out from under 3.5e.
I've gotten used to it, and while I don't like it as much as 3.5e, I don't dislike it any more. In fact, I think there's a few ways in which it's better. Not many, but they're out there. And given the way my living campaign group runs games, it really doesn't matter 4e vs. 3.5e.
I still feel, for the most part, like I'm trying to draw with crayons when I'm writing a 4e event (I might be drawing with 400 billion different colored crayons, but they're still crayons), but I've gotten used to how it works and we have fun at the cons.
At home, however, 3.5e it is.
Here's to not liking 4E. We've got some things we can agree on at least.Now, I still say "I don't like 4e" because I don't like 4e. But when the 4e thought police can't help themselves, I've decided to no longer get upset.
It's funny.
It's OK to not like something, it's OK to tell someone that, I do it all the time! It's not OK to attack someone for this.
Here's to not liking 4E. We've got some things we can agree on at least.Now, I still say "I don't like 4e" because I don't like 4e. But when the 4e thought police can't help themselves, I've decided to no longer get upset.
It's funny.
Okay, that's it....we're done.
(psst...I think we lost the OP about SIX PAGES AGO!)
Gee, I wonder what made him/her uncomfortable? I don't know why we can't just leave people alone and deal with the topic people want to discuss.
Is it so hard to either ignore what someone dislikes, or say, "Well, as someone who likes X..." if one really feels the need and then direct to the topic instead of the person we disagree with?
That's not why I'm angry with 4e. I'm angry with 4e for much the same reason I'd be angry with Sesame Street turning Big Bird into a mutant menace out to suck children's brains. They've got a right to do that and they've got a right to still call it "Sesame Street", but why?
Whether you agree with them or not, they had reasons for the changes they made. And, again, whether you agree with them or not, a lot of people do agree with them, in much the same way there are people out there who agree with the decisions behind Pathfinder.
And let's please ditch the "thought police" language, especially when you choose to apply it in broad strokes. If someone is behaving poorly, call them out on it, but leave it at that. That's marginalizing language that ignores the fact that you put your opinion there out for everyone to read. You can't expect it to go without comment. And let's not delve into analyzing why 4e players feel the need to defend their game of choice - the logical next step there is to start asking why Pathfinder players feel the need to slam a game they really don't have anything to do with, and that's not a pretty path to walk down for either "side".
I liked this thread when it was about Pathfinder - it's encouraged me to at least give the game a shot if I have the opportunity to play in a local PFRPG game. How about we move it back in that direction, hm?
I liked this thread when it was about Pathfinder - it's encouraged me to at least give the game a shot if I have the opportunity to play in a local PFRPG game. How about we move it back in that direction, hm?
....He's dead Jim....
The answer is rhetorical given the question's source.Does 4e need such PR championing and defense lawyers?It seems to. The question is why?I used to get upset that the 4e thought police would come out when someone said they didn't like 4e. I mean, not everyone likes everything. There's plenty of room for people who like chocolate and people who like strawberry. But the 4e thought police don't think so. They not only insist that "not liking it" isn't sufficient reason, but they'll insinuate that anybody who says otherwise has no legitimate point.
Like I said, I used to get upset that the 4e thought police would come out when someone said they didn't like 4e.Now, I still say "I don't like 4e" because I don't like 4e. But when the 4e thought police can't help themselves, I've decided to no longer get upset.
It's funny.
"I don't like 4e" != "4E is like big bird consuming children's brains"
You did not say you don't like 4E.
What you said is this
And I'm sure that if Sesame Street turned Big Bird into a mutant brain sucking menace, there'd be people who like it and they might have reasons to make the change.
Repeatedly. You are not saying "I don't like 4e," you are brutally attacking and insulting the game for admittedly no reason.
You did not say you don't like 4E.
What you said is this
And I'm sure that if Sesame Street turned Big Bird into a mutant brain sucking menace, there'd be people who like it and they might have reasons to make the change.Repeatedly. You are not saying "I don't like 4e," you are brutally attacking and insulting the game for admittedly no reason.
Is this needless hectoring going anywhere?
I understood him to say that he doesn't like 4e for the same basic reason he would dislike Sesame Street if they made Big Bird a brain-sucking mutant. It's not a particular change he would appreciate - as he doesn't appreciate the particular changes in 4e.
I understood him to say that he doesn't like 4e for the same basic reason he would dislike Sesame Street if they made Big Bird a brain-sucking mutant. It's not a particular change he would appreciate - as he doesn't appreciate the particular changes in 4e.
That is a needlessly inflammatory statement to express his impression of the game. If they are surprised that it has managed to catch the forest on fire, they are the only one.
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Here's to not liking 4E. We've got some things we can agree on at least.Now, I still say "I don't like 4e" because I don't like 4e. But when the 4e thought police can't help themselves, I've decided to no longer get upset.
It's funny.
You didn't get Kirth's e-mail? We're switching from heavily houseruled Pathfinder to heavily houseruled 4e. His 3000+ page tome of new rules will be posted soon.
;)
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Here's to not liking 4E. We've got some things we can agree on at least.Now, I still say "I don't like 4e" because I don't like 4e. But when the 4e thought police can't help themselves, I've decided to no longer get upset.
It's funny.
You didn't get Kirth's e-mail? We're switching from heavily houseruled Pathfinder to heavily houseruled 4e. His 3000+ page tome of new rules will be posted soon.
;)
Only 3000? Is he going rules light this time?
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Only 3000? Is he going rules light this time?Here's to not liking 4E. We've got some things we can agree on at least.Now, I still say "I don't like 4e" because I don't like 4e. But when the 4e thought police can't help themselves, I've decided to no longer get upset.
It's funny.
You didn't get Kirth's e-mail? We're switching from heavily houseruled Pathfinder to heavily houseruled 4e. His 3000+ page tome of new rules will be posted soon.
;)
He has to, three of our players developed back problems from toting the last housrerules tome.
They don't make enough muscle relaxers to solve that problem.
And, Kirth, just in case you're reading:
You missed the design goal of the 1st 3,000 page tome, which provides base classes so flexible that they supercede the need for 1e, 2e, 3e, Pathfinder, AND 4e.
As far as spells go... are you volunteering? Because spells would be, you know, another 26,000 pages or so...
I don't play Pathfinder for the same reason I don't watch snuff films and torture porn.
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You missed the design goal of the 1st 3,000 page tome, which provides base classes so flexible that they supercede the need for 1e, 2e, 3e, Pathfinder, AND 4e.
As far as spells go... are you volunteering? Because spells would be, you know, another 26,000 pages or so...
I'm flexibly building a rogue who will eventually be able to kill with a glance, c'mon now, you KNOW I'm digging Cadogan very much :)
I'll get on the spells soon enough, just trying to figure out how to slip the relevant 1e sections from the PHB and UA into a binder while making it look like I did something...
I don't play Pathfinder for the same reason I don't watch snuff films and torture porn.
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That was supposed to be a punchline.
You don't watch snuff films and torture porn?I don't play Pathfinder for the same reason I don't watch snuff films and torture porn.
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I know, it is a bit of a shock for someone like me to be on this site without those interests, right? ;)
You torture porn?
I don't play Pathfinder for the same reason I don't watch snuff films and torture porn.** spoiler omitted **
I might, but I don't do it while watching snuff films. ;)
But no I don't torture porn, that would be wrong, since that is what the internet is for. I care for it and treat it nicely, bring it a glass of water when it is thirsty. Love porn, never torture it.