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We have nine alignments in the Pathfinder game. They are Lawful Good, Neutral Good, Chaotic good, Lawful Neutral, True Neutral, Chaotic Neutral, Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, and Chaotic Evil.
I have been thinking of several examples of characters that would fit these alignments.
For Lawful good, I might pick a Jedi knight like Luke Sky Walker. I cant n think of other examples.
At the moment I cant think of an example of neutral good.
I would think for Chaotic Good, I might pick Han Solo.
For Lawful Neutral I might pick a Tommy Lee Jones’s Marshal character from the Fugitive,
For true Neutral, I am not sure,
For Chaotic Neutral I might pick Golem,
For Lawful evil Of course there is Darth Vader.
For Neutral evil, I might pick Iago from Othello,
For chaotic evil, I might pick Xyklon from Order of the stick.
What might be an example of Neutral good? How about Jack Bower? Lawful Neutral? Neutral Good? Lawful good?
How about True Neutral?
any thoughts?
Thanks
Of course that depends on your Arthur . . . Arthur from The Once and Future King had a few more foibles than Arthur from La Morte d'Arthur.
Also, Mordred ranges the evil gamut depending on the version of the story that you read/watch/experience.
No one has ever been more Chaotic Neutral than Captain Jack Sparrow
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TVtropes is ver good place for alingment-examples.
Lawful Good- Superman/Alistair(DragonAge)/Saruman the White
Neutral Good- Gandalf the Grey/Spider-man/ Harry Potter
Chaotic Good- / Bilbo Baggins/ Robin Hood
Neutral- Achilleus/ Boromir (while in fellowship)
Lawful Neutral- Rober Langdon/ Judge Dredd/ James Gordon(batman)
Chaotic Neutral- Punisher/ Loki (Skandinavian mythology god)/ Jack Sparrow :D
Lawful Evil- Darth Vader/ Megatron/ Redskull
Neural Evil- Juri Orlov(Lord of War)/ dr. Octavius/
Chaotic Evil- Joker/ Green Goblin/ Dr. No
Some examples. Neutral examples are difficult!
Glad to help but be careful with TVTropes: you start reading and clicking links and before you know it you casually glance down at the time and say "Holy Crap! It's 2:30 am! How'd that happen?"
Beowulf is a very clear Lawful Good.
His DM probably houseruled the barbarian alignment rule :P
The Punisher is NOT Chaotic Neutral.......there are fewer character who follow a code as rigidly as he does. Still, he's too murderous to be consider "good", despite any arguments that he makes the streets safer....he's Lawful Neutral.
What about Leon from The Professional?
LE or LN?
(Same question for the Agent from Serenity.)
I think the Watchers (Marvel universe) as a group must be the embodiment of committed, principled neutrality (as opposed to just not caring much one way or another, which I call default neutral). From their point of view, getting involved in any way is a serious offense.
Of course that depends on your Arthur . . . Arthur from The Once and Future King had a few more foibles than Arthur from La Morte d'Arthur.
Arthur in Le Morte D'Arthur takes all the newborn boys in his kingdom away from his parents and sends them off to sea because the child of his incestuous affair is prophesized to kill him.
I say that counts as a foible, and argues against "lawful good."
some of these are really not even close.
robin hood is NG(with strong lawful tendencies). He opposed a ruler he believed did not have the right to rule and swore feality to the righful king when he returned.
Lawful Good - Sir Galahad (paladin)-superman
another bad one I saw was Achilles as CN. first off Achilles is a
Soldier and a hero- at the very least he is lawful. He refusing to fight because the King broke the established Order. His only chaotic act was draggin the body of hector, but then he was brought to see the order of things. Achilles is most likely LN with Good tendencies
CG- the best example i can think of is Hercules, marvel 616 HULK, Wolverine
LE- lawful evil is quite tough,- most tryants, Dr. Doom,Mordred
NE- almost every bad guy, seriel killers, criminals
CE-very tough, not many CE- spree killers,
some of these are really not even close.
robin hood is NG(with strong lawful tendencies). He opposed a ruler he believed did not have the right to rule and swore feality to the righful king when he returned.
Lawful Good - Sir Galahad (paladin)-superman
another bad one I saw was Achilles as CN. first off Achilles is a
Soldier and a hero- at the very least he is lawful. He refusing to fight because the King broke the established Order. His only chaotic act was draggin the body of hector, but then he was brought to see the order of things. Achilles is most likely LN with Good tendenciesCG- the best example i can think of is Hercules, marvel 616 HULK, Wolverine
LE- lawful evil is quite tough,- most tryants, Dr. Doom,Mordred
NE- almost every bad guy, seriel killers, criminals
CE-very tough, not many CE- spree killers,
Luke Skywalker seems more like Neutral Good to me. He's not very Law Abiding (he joined the Rebellion...) and he never listened to any of his authority figures (Uncle Owen, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Darth Vader/ Dad).
And I think Dr. Doom is a bit more Lawful Evil/ Lawful Neutral. Though he's selfish, he does care about the people in his land, as long as they do what he says.
the two best examples of NE people I can think of are Gilbert Gecko (Wallstreet) and Eric Cartman (Southpark).
CE-very tough, not many CE- spree killers,
Riddick
the two best examples of NE people I can think of are Gilbert Gecko (Wallstreet) and Eric Cartman (Southpark).
Gordon Gekko you mean? For sure. Awesome character, they're making a sequel to Wall Street ya know!
Others that I can think of:
NG-Samwise Gamgee
LG-Superman
N-Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
Elric is one of the hardest, I'd peg him TN myself but I'm sure tons will disagree.
The problem is, IMO, the more interesting and complex characters can't be nailed down. Either they exhibit symptoms of many alignments or change over the course of fiction. Robin Hood is a good example, through most of the story he is the paragon of CG, but of course yes swears fealty when the rightful king returns.
Tyrion Lannister from ASOIAF is one of my favorite fictional characters, and I honestly can't pin him down. Nor his brother Jaime. Cersei is boil in the bag, basic LE though. Ned on the otherhand is muddled somewhere in the LN/NG spectrum.
Riddick
CE-very tough, not many CE- spree killers,
Nah, he's certainly not evil. At least not by the end of the 2nd film. I felt the original Pitch Black was largely a pragmatic redemption story myself.
Gordon... yeah Gordon Gekko...
As for Riddick, I would say he started out Pitch Black NE or CE, but had shifted to Neutral by the beginning of the 2nd movie.
What about Leon from The Professional?
LE or LN?
(Same question for the Agent from Serenity.)
Leon is definitely LE. His highly structured personal life and meticulous execution of hit contracts indicates a Lawful alignment. He has no moral qualms or compunction against murdering for money which puts him on Team Evil.
Never saw Serenity, so I can't comment on the Agent.
I would also add to the LE character list:
Vic Mackley - The Shield
Jack Bauer - 24
Both characters have an "ends justify the means" towards serving law and order, and use evil tactics to achieve their ends.
He has no moral qualms or compunction against murdering for money which puts him on Team Evil.
He has about as much compunction against killing as Robin Hood does.
The whole thing about Leon is that he is very childlike, leading me to think he may not know what he does is wrong. He's told time and time again the men he kills are evil.
Just playing devil's advocate. If killing without compunction, even killing others you think or KNOW to be evil, is a sure sign of being evil then all adventurers are.
Riddick
CE-very tough, not many CE- spree killers,
Good call. In pitch black, he is very CE though at the end he seemed to have shifted to CN.
the two best examples of NE people I can think of are Gilbert Gecko (Wallstreet) and Eric Cartman (Southpark).Gordon Gekko you mean? For sure. Awesome character, they're making a sequel to Wall Street ya know!
Others that I can think of:
NG-Samwise Gamgee
LG-Superman
N-Fafhrd and the Gray MouserElric is one of the hardest, I'd peg him TN myself but I'm sure tons will disagree.
The problem is, IMO, the more interesting and complex characters can't be nailed down. Either they exhibit symptoms of many alignments or change over the course of fiction. Robin Hood is a good example, through most of the story he is the paragon of CG, but of course yes swears fealty when the rightful king returns.
Tyrion Lannister from ASOIAF is one of my favorite fictional characters, and I honestly can't pin him down. Nor his brother Jaime. Cersei is boil in the bag, basic LE though. Ned on the otherhand is muddled somewhere in the LN/NG spectrum.
I was going to agree on Cartman as TN but I think he was NE. because of episodes like Ginger Kids, Cancer, the classic revenge episode, deep down he has alot of pure hate, too much hate i think for a TN.
I was going to agree on Cartman as TN but I think he was NE. because of episodes like Ginger Kids, Cancer, the classic revenge episode, deep down he has alot of pure hate, too much hate i think for a TN.the two best examples of NE people I can think of are Gilbert Gecko (Wallstreet) and Eric Cartman (Southpark).Gordon Gekko you mean? For sure. Awesome character, they're making a sequel to Wall Street ya know!
Others that I can think of:
NG-Samwise Gamgee
LG-Superman
N-Fafhrd and the Gray MouserElric is one of the hardest, I'd peg him TN myself but I'm sure tons will disagree.
The problem is, IMO, the more interesting and complex characters can't be nailed down. Either they exhibit symptoms of many alignments or change over the course of fiction. Robin Hood is a good example, through most of the story he is the paragon of CG, but of course yes swears fealty when the rightful king returns.
Tyrion Lannister from ASOIAF is one of my favorite fictional characters, and I honestly can't pin him down. Nor his brother Jaime. Cersei is boil in the bag, basic LE though. Ned on the otherhand is muddled somewhere in the LN/NG spectrum.
I consider myself IRL to be true neutral, and I am virtually brimming over with murderous hatred.
He has no moral qualms or compunction against murdering for money which puts him on Team Evil.The whole thing about Leon is that he is very childlike, leading me to think he may not know what he does is wrong. He's told time and time again the men he kills are evil.
Just playing devil's advocate. If killing without compunction, even killing others you think or KNOW to be evil, is a sure sign of being evil then all adventurers are.
From what we are presented with in The Professional, Leon murders people exclusively for money. Whether or not his targets are evil is irrelevant. If there wasn't a contract out on those people, Leon would have not expended the effort to go after them.
He has no moral qualms or compunction against murdering for money which puts him on Team Evil.The whole thing about Leon is that he is very childlike, leading me to think he may not know what he does is wrong. He's told time and time again the men he kills are evil.
Just playing devil's advocate. If killing without compunction, even killing others you think or KNOW to be evil, is a sure sign of being evil then all adventurers are.
From what we are presented with in The Professional, Leon murders people exclusively for money. Whether or not his targets are evil is irrelevant. If there wasn't a contract out on those people, Leon would have not expended the effort to go after them.
Not that he knew. And he never saw any of the money other than just enough to get by. You should go back and watch it :)
It has a similar theme to its source material (Le Samourai) and the other films based on it (The Killer, Ghost Dog) of an honorable man in a dishonorable profession. Again, redemptive themes throughout.
Achilles may be a hero but he is not a team player. He fights only for personal glory and to be remembered as the greatest. He is in constant conflict with the King and when he doesnt get his way goes crying to Mommy. He fights only when he chooses to and not when ordered. His battle with Hector is done only out of a sense to avenge Patrocles death. Then of course his dishonor of Hectors corpse when he dragged it around the city seven times. What keeps him in the alignment of neutrality is the fact he has some compassion and honor when he returns Hector's body to King Priam.some of these are really not even close.
robin hood is NG(with strong lawful tendencies). He opposed a ruler he believed did not have the right to rule and swore feality to the righful king when he returned.
Lawful Good - Sir Galahad (paladin)-superman
another bad one I saw was Achilles as CN. first off Achilles is a
Soldier and a hero- at the very least he is lawful. He refusing to fight because the King broke the established Order. His only chaotic act was draggin the body of hector, but then he was brought to see the order of things. Achilles is most likely LN with Good tendenciesCG- the best example i can think of is Hercules, marvel 616 HULK, Wolverine
LE- lawful evil is quite tough,- most tryants, Dr. Doom,Mordred
NE- almost every bad guy, seriel killers, criminals
CE-very tough, not many CE- spree killers,
Every Greek Hero/soldier fought for personal Glory because that you became immortal.(they revisit that idea)so thats just neutral, nothing is implied in that. He clashed with the King because the king is not for honor, which has been the way before of the greeks, remember this war was to supposed to have started out of the honor of an agreement. But instead the king is using it as a means to an end. So achilles was acting very much in order with the tradition of his time, it's the king who had changed everything.
He stopped fighting because broke a rule and justified it only by saying i am king, which is not how the greeks operated. everyone in those days was bound by the code of the gods even kings.achilles is best described as LN(with good tendenceis)- because in doing great and heroic deeds you will tend towards good acts).
Hercules would never be TN. He is the greeks greatest hero. His whole life is dedicated and defeating evil monsters, and this was before journey of atonement. he was always helpful. his problem was that with the exception of Zeus he listened to no one, he is the definition choatic. his attitude was i am the son of zeus, I am the strongest i killed snakes when i was kid and monsters with my bear hands, unless your zeus you can't tell me what me to do, and i hercules will make it up as i go along.
Surprised that nobody has referenced the longest running LE TV Character..... Montgomery Burns
Ex..cellent
Surprised that nobody has referenced the longest running LE TV Character..... Montgomery Burns
Ex..cellent
So what's Smither's: LN, N?
Riddick
CE-very tough, not many CE- spree killers,
I've seen the "Riddick = CE" discussion on other forums but I just don't get it. Certainly not based on the actions we actually see him perform. I haven't seen the film in awhile but, IIRC, Riddick is billed as a killer but I don't recall them saying who his victims were or under what circumstances they were killed. If I'm wrong on that, let me know. Given the amount of time he spent in various prisons those killings could have been self-defense or dog-eat-dog as far as we know. Based on his actions in the movie(s) I'd be inclined to go CN or even LN because he definitely seems to operate under his own code of conduct as strange as it may seem.
The best CE character I can think of is Steve Buscemi as Garland Green from ConAir... and mostly because they say he went on a six state killing spree and wore one victim's head as a hat when he was driving around. Now that is CE to me. In the actual movie he was highly chaotic but didn't really do anything EEEEEvil.
Can't do the alignment thing outside of D and D is the best answer I can give you. Societal and personal values color the decision too much, and someone whose actions make them a great hero to one society can make them a horrible tyrant to another. Alignment only works inside of a RPG and even then only poorly.
not going to try all the alignments, but the recent fiction that I came across which rang truest to alignments for me was "No Country for Old Men"
Sherrif Bell: LG
Anton Chigurh: CE
Llewelyn Moss: N
I'm a big fan of Robin Hood being Lawful Good - he's an excellent example of how a paladin might deal with coming home to a Tyrant Usurper.
That's interesting. I'd think CG all the way for Robin Hood. I guess it depends on which version of the story you are thinking about. If John was the legitimate authority while Richard was away then I would think a LG Robin Hood would try to get him to change his ways, lighten up on the peasants, etc. by working WITH the system. In that case, Robin immediately going rogue and destabilizing the status quo is more CG.
Of course, if you are thinking of the variant where John boots Richard's appointed Regent and grabs the throne for himself - then destabilizing the new order to reinstitute the old one could be a Lawful act.
Mother of god, no, you are unleashing the full volume of the hell that is alignment arguments. *hides then pokes his head out*
hhhmmm let me try a few from one of my new favorite book series, Kushiel's Legacy.
LG - Joscelin Verreuil, Ysandre de la Courcel
CG - Anafiel Delaunay, Hyacinthe, Imriel
NG - Phèdre nó Delaunay
LN - Drustan mab Necthana
N - Melisande Shahrizai (this one is arguable but i think by the end of the second trilogy this is well represented), Guy
NE - the Skotophagoti
CE - The Mahrkagir
LE - Waldemar Selig